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That way literally on doors, gates, houses, is when it is not written in the heart, not by the Holy Ghost/not by belief in the rising from that dead to life, of the Lord Jesus Christ, not written with ink, not in tables of stone, but with the Spirit of the living God. The letter kills, the Spirit makes us ALIVE/GIVES LIFE.. 2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Corinthians 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

You cant clarify, as that would speak against the testimony you are talking about. Jesus Christ has clarified, that the good thing we give our children, the Lord gives to us, and it is the Holy Spirit. Then it is also testified that it shall not be every man teaching his neighbour, for all know the Lord without them. ( believing that as men give good to their children, so the Father gives the good/Holy Spirit to them that ask Him. Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

They do not ask anyone other than God the Father for His good/Holy Spirit.

The giving of good things can only be as written in scripture, ( cant be added to or taken away from) and it is the Holy Spirit. Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT to them that ask him? Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven GIVE GOOD THINGS to them that ask him?

The false prophets percentage is many, and the percentage of their followers is many, the percentage of the ones on the narrow path was few, it went more narrow and more scarce numbers. Right now, who would believe truly, when forums to make up inventions and to discuss for self glory are the only interest shown. If a person has the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ, they reject the many false teachers, and choose just one, One Lord Jesus Christ, and leave the forums that produce no fruit of charity, as the love of God is to lay HIs life down for us, love is not them on a forum that only gets us to keep our life comfortable for ourselves. Shame on the talkers for a lifetime every day, if there was shame to be had, by hearing below how it was for Jesus, and what they show on the forums as their example. ( WHAT HAS 25-30 YEARS OF ONLINE DISCUSSION/FORUMS BENEFFITED, BUT TO PUT THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF A WORLD THAT ENTIRELY LIVES FOR CARES OF THIS LIFE/SELF GLORY NOW.).. John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. 25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. 28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. 1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Nothing is observed with eyes, we don't look in faith in this world and that is why the day overtakes all who cant speak or believe in faith. They cant say lo here, or lo there, for the Kingdom of God does not come with observation. The false prophets say, lo, here is Christ, or there, and we believe them NOT. 2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

No, you cant force, nor give anything, most who do any calling, are the many on the wise path to destruction, and if anyone can add up at all, that means the world has no chance or clue at all any more. Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 2 Peter 2: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

We are caught sleeping by the many false prophet teachers,. what else do you think catches the word and the forum is here for that purpose, except that it has a little warning, the same as our Lord Jesus Christ warned us. Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Do you notice the actions of servants, or of enemies, is it difficult to see a difference and to know evil from good, light from darkness. Come forward 2000 years to now, and we see what the people of Israel do, the very same they did to our Lord Jesus Christ. How could more wrath be filled up by Israel, what would you suggest could be done to add to the uttermost.. Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. 25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Try your best to show we see darkly, from other verses, other than the two you have written your idea about, do you think there are any ? There are many scriptures, too many, all showing what LIGHT WE ARE IN. John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

The world did not and does not know Him. ( as He is) we cant be the same if we claim to believe in Him. The Son reveals to us to know Him, ( the Father.) and did not say He partly and darkly reveals to us the Father, but tells us ALL THINGS. ( delivered to the Son of the Father) Do you think seeing darkly is the equivalent of seeing darkly now ? All things the son has heard of the Father, He has MADE KNOWN TO US. 1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Paul showed we see darkly, but that, that changes and we see when the light shines in that dark place/ when the day star arises in our heart.. 1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

We put away childish things, being children is BEFORE THAT FAITH/THT WHICH IS PERFECT, is come. 1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

If you have any further details share away, if not, the disputing/unbelieving of this world is over, the testimony is told, meaning the end of the disputer is here.

You appear like you want to learn, as you quote one area of scripture and how fitting to compliment that with the other verses that interpret what you think is told in Romans 11. Pay attention anyone reading, because it is not wise to believe in the false prophets who were predicted at the ending of the world, and so many heresies brought in. Isaiah 29 testifies, Jacob would not be ashamed, Jacob is of the same promise of eternal life, as his father Isaac and his father Abraham, to whom the promises were given from God. ( of eternal life) The Lord redeemed Abraham, concerning the HOUSE OF JACOB, for them to sanctify the name of the Lord, and they that erred in spirit come to understanding, and learn doctrine. ( before all reject sound doctrine now) Isaiah 29 also describes in that day the meek increase their joy in the Lord. The scorners are consumed. The terrible one ( who are NOT THE REMNANT.) is BROUGHT TO NOTHING, 1 Corinthians 1, shows this is done, WHERE IS THE DISPUTER OF THIS WORLD/the SCORNER ? Christ crucified is preached, this is a stumbling block to the Jews, but unto the Jews which are called it is the wisdom of God. Those who are called/chosen are the foolish to confound the wise, the weak to confound the mighty, the base and despised God has chosen, to bring TO NOTHING/BROUGHT TO NOTHING, those that are. ( THAT NO FLESH GLORIES IN HIS PRESENSE.) Isaiah 10 first tells, of the REMNANT of Israel that are escaped of the HOUSE OF JACOB, to stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The REMNANT returns, EVEN THE REMNANT OF JACOB, unto the mighty God. Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. 22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. 19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. 20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: Isaiah 29:22 Therefore thus saith the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale. 23 But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel. 24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine. 1 Corinthians 11:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. We can understand it has all come to pass, its easily understood, but just for the disputers, there is more. We heard in Isaiah 29, that the Lord redeemed Abraham concerning the house of Jacob. The house of Jacob spoke lies against the Lord, though He had redeemed them. God takes away in that day those who rejoice in their pride, ( THAT NO FLESH GLORIES IN HIS PRESENSE/they that are are BROUGHT TO NOTHING.) and because of His Holy mountain ( Christ on earth) they are no more haughty, as the Lord leaves in the house of Jacob an afflicted and poor people, ( by the preaching of the cross.) the remnant do not do iniquity, nor speak lies.. Hosea 7:13 Woe unto them! for they have fled from me: destruction unto them! because they have transgressed against me: though I have redeemed them, yet they have spoken lies against me. Zephaniah 3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain. 12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord. 13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid. If the scorners need more info, there is more. The remnant of Israel, was according to the time of apostle Paul. That is the election, but Israel ( not the remnant) abides in unbelief. So all Israel shall be saved. ( blindness was on Israel who abides in unbelief.) But the word of God had EFFECT. They are NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL In Isaac the seed is called, ( though the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.) that is, the children of the flesh ( the children of Israel cut off, and not the remnant saved) are not the children of God, the children of the promise are counted for the seed. The called/chosen of the Jews and Gentiles, are the vessels to glory, the vessels fitted to destruction do not know ( blind) the riches of His glory.. Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Giving evil is the opposite to giving good, and Jesus says truly that much more than men who know and do, give good to their children, so the Lord in heaven does the very same, giving the good that the children know how to ask for. Children do not ask for stones or serpents to eat. The children of God ask for the Holy Spirit, because they know this is the good, having believed in Jesus Christ's own testimony, of Him being the bread of life we must eat, and not die. Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Luke 16:11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Pay attention, you may learn something, its better to hear than to speak to avoid wrath. All that are taught of God, hearing and learning of the Father from the Son Jesus Christ. Seeing God/Jesus Christ, to believe on Jesus Christ to have everlasting life. Keep focused now, that the same subject is explained here, of who the bread of life is. The same men of Israel Jesus reasoned with who know how to give a fish to their children, are reminded that their fathers ate manna in the wilderness, but death comes that way. ( they all died.) But this bread which comes down from heaven, is so a man can eat of it and not die. Jesus Christ is the living bread which came down from heaven, ( we must believe that Christ is come in the flesh) and if any man eats of this bread they shall live for ever, the bread that Christ gives is HIs flesh, He gave HIs flesh for the life of the world. John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

If nobody notices these things, if there is no good in sharing the faith, it will be better shared where there is no strife, someone might understand that.

Does anyone notice that the forum is a place susceptible to confusion, constant correction leading to misunderstanding, battles, supremacy/envy, and not in the likeminded faith of understanding of Christ, that is peace instead.

Apostle Paul wrote the Epistle you quote, as well as speaking in Acts, confirming that he is a Jew. Also the gospel of Christ is unto salvation to the Jew FIRST, and if you, reread my statement, you might see that I had talked about the apostles and Paul being Jews, and how this was FIRST. Acts 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people. Acts 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. "Israel and the Gentiles are one in Christ, its empty to think otherwise, as the apostles are the FIRST followers and Paul, Jews. Salvation is not different for anyone, it is in believing that Jesus Christ died and rose again the third day for our sins."

If the forum was beautiful it would remain, as would this world, but it wont. ( the word of Christ is all that does when the heavens and the earth are gone.) We are to have faith ourselves, not need to see which is the better word. God is exalted because He is true, because He was in the lower parts of the earth to fill the heavens when risen. Israel/Jerusalem was a place that did evil to cut off the Lord, but life came from there, from the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. But light was there for them to walk in a while, and then light was not in the same place, the light is above the sun.

Is our faith/purified, never good enough... (Jesus Christ redeems us and PURIFIES US UNTO HIMSELF/MEET FOR THE MASTERS USE.) 1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 1 Timothy 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

A little child is where the Lord has perfected praise.. Matthew 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise? 1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

For Christ to live in anyone we must believe the words of Christ.. Luke 14:7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them. 8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; 9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. 10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. 11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Matthew 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Israel and the Gentiles are one in Christ, its empty to think otherwise, as the apostles are the first followers and Paul, Jews. Salvation is not different for anyone, it is in believing that Jesus Christ died and rose again the third day for our sins. The day of the Lord comes unawares by all who do not walk in the light of life, as Jesus Christ is our light of life. Jesus did not continue to be stuck in discussion with the Pharisees, they reason and dispute until now, but Christ left off from that vain conversation, because He told them plainly, if they do not believe that He is He, they shall die in their sins. Not only is dispute worthless, it is also denial of the Lord Jesus Christ rising, as that alone is what saves us from vanity and pride. 2000 years of dispute is ending soon, why not break it off slightly before the time is up.