Hinds Feet

If you don't mind me asking, how old is your brother? Or what is his age range? (Is he mid to late teens or older?)

One of the most interesting aspects to whether or not the OT indicates a place like hell existing, is the incident where Saul went to a medium to talk to Samuel. The spirit that appeared before the medium and Saul, was it actually Samuel? Or was it a demonic spirit or fallen angel? If it was actually Samuel, that would lead credence to suggest there is an underworld, an actual place where dead souls went to. (Which at the time would have been both the wicked and righteous dead) It's such a hard passage of Scripture, because of the way this spirit is presented. Given the fact Saul had to ask the medium what she was seeing, and Saul not seeing anything assumed it was Samuel, you want to say it was a demon of course. Then you read where Saul is talking to the apparition, and the Bible simply use Samuel's name in reference to it, it gives you cause to pause. Very hard to understand indeed!

Concerning Jesus, He wasn't promoting eating unclean animals. The scribes were questioning Jesus' disciples about eating with ceremonially unwashed hands. If Jesus would have declared unclean animals were good to eat, the scribes would have had a legit complaint concerning the Law. Remember Peter's vision? Peter said he never ate anything unclean. So if the disciples were eating unclean food during the time the scribes were questioning Jesus, that would have been a lie. So Jesus didn't declare all animals were clean to eat. In the beginning, our food was the fruits and herbs of the field. Things produced out of the ground. When the perfect creation is restored, I imagine that will be our food again, to enjoy.

Begin writing a copy of Scripture for yourself. Deuteronomy 17:18 “And when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself in a book a copy of this law, approved by the Levitical priests."

Yet let's think about this. Jesus was crucified on Passover. He rose again on FirstFruits. The Holy Spirit was given on Pentecost/Shavuot. These are the spring festivals, and all of them carried events very significant for the Body of Christ. What about the fall festivals? You have the Feast of Trumpets, The Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles. What events will happen on those days and how will they receive their fulfillment? Whatever happens on those days, I believe those who don't celebrate them, might not be ready for what happens. I think about what God told us concerning these times in that they are His feasts, His "appointed times". Heehee! Think about doctors appointments. You can't just walk up in a doctor's office and expect everything to be ready for you the moment you get there. Yet on days where you have an appointment, the wait for the doctor to see you is shorter if not immediate, and everything is prepared. It is sort of the same with these feasts as well. We are to present ourselves to the LORD on these days. Then I think about what Jesus said when He was weeping over Jerusalem... "For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation." Which again, Jesus was crucified on Passover. The days leading up to that Passover, were the days the people were to examine the unblemished lamb that would be the Passover lamb. God was in their midst, and they didn't know it. And Israel were celebrating the feasts. How much more unawareness will we have due to not celebrating these appointed times? Will Jesus be like a thief in the night to us? Overall, this is an example on how God's laws discipline us spiritually. The Church today is by in large undisciplined, because we reject a great deal of God's commands. Now I'm not saying we are justified by the Law. I am saying Jesus' nature enables us to keep the heart of God's commands. This is the Law of Christ. The same laws given to the people from an outward perspective, were supposed to be the laws God writes on our hearts.

We need spiritual discipline. The original apostles grew up with the Scriptures, and Jesus came and taught them fully. When the Spirit was supplied to them, they hit the ground running!!! However, here we are, 2000 years later, and there has been a kind of wall put up between the faith and it's origins in our hearts. The apostles obeyed God's commands in the newness of Christ's spirit. Yet we say Jesus fulfilled everything, and no longer see God's commands or the things written in the OT as important or relevant. Most believers today I would say are flying by the seat of their pants. Yes, we know Jesus provides salvation, but we lack spiritual discipline because it was God's commands that disciplined us. Here's an example. God commanded His people to have holy convocations or assemblies at certain times of the year. (Particularly the festivals) When we follow His commands, we are disciplined to come together and rejoice with one another. It trains us to be with one another. So for Christians today who know nothing about the festivals like the apostles did, we aren't trained to come together. And the results of this is we have become lonely Christians. Everybody keeps to themselves, eat in their rooms and watch streaming shows. Scripture tells us "Whoever isolates himself seeks his own desire; he breaks out against all sound judgment. If we seek our own desire, we are definitely not doing God's desire. Ultimately meaning we have no power, and are definitely living in the flesh. This is one example on how Scripture disciplines us, reading and doing God's commands in Christ. But if we separate from God's commands, we will be undisciplined. Perhaps it is fair to say most believers today are undisciplined disciples.

It's awesome if the show leads people to reading Scripture. And at the same time, we should be spiritually discerning as well. I remember when Mel Gibson first came out with "The Passion of the Christ" and how it too got people getting more serious about the faith. And now, Gibson is coming out with a sequel, which he stated will take us to what happened in the three days Jesus was in the heart of the earth. Gibson says it's going to be a wild trip. This is when our spiritual antennas should be going up. In the same way when it comes to The Chosen, it inspires us, yes, but could it also lead us astray if we become too invested in the people behind the show? (From the produces to the actors) Yes, we can be creative in the show, but we should be careful to not allow the show to effect how we read the actual Bible. And while many of us will claim they can tell the difference between the Bible and the show, we know it is not that simple. To prove that point, all I have to do is ask everyone here to visualize Jesus in their mind, and I'm willing to bet almost everyone will picture a guy with long hair and European facial features, pointing two fingers with His hand up toward the sky. Perhaps many will now picture Jonathan Roumie himself. So we should discern these things.

Of course the idea of voting for things and forcing this world to conform to God's ways, isn't exactly God's plan. Because it could be the world votes for something that opposes God's ways. If politics chooses that, if it chooses to reject God's understanding, how can we say politics is something God is involved in?

It connects well with the idea the Church is the body of Christ. And how when Jesus states if we take care of the least of the brethren, we have taken care of Him. So we become one with Jesus when we believe. Its the same with the marriage idea of becoming one flesh, and knowing Jesus. (The Church being the bride of Christ)

I'm curious. Where does it state Simeon married Dinah?

Of course the Book of Acts lays out for us God's design. God's ways shouldn't be abandoned because there are people taking advantage of it. This is why we use God's discernment, and judge based on the fruits. And let God deal with those who seek to take advantage of the Church. (Remember what happened to Ananias and Sapphira)

Politics is definitely of this world. I see governance and politics as two different things. God established governing bodies as a means to protect the people and establish order. And these bodies are simply supposed to establish justice. Politics is all about selfishness in a way. Politics is about what can I get for my group, and how can I prevent the other group from getting what they want. It is divisive by it's very nature. It prevents people from coming together. It's one thing to disagree on something. But politics paints the picture that disagreements mean the other side is the devil. So all we end up with is a bunch of devils. And no wonder, because politics is of this world, and the devil is the god of this world. Ultimately when it comes to the Church, we are supposed to be governed by God's law in Christ. We see in the Book of Acts where the Church saw each other as brothers and sisters. And of course they were. They brought in their wealth into the Church, and the apostles gave to all where there was need. So in the Church, there was no lack. Everyone saw their possessions as common among them. (This is particular to what the people gave) Back then, this was only a few thousand people. There are over 2 billion Christians in the world today. With all that wealth and possessions, we wouldn't be fighting in the political world for the things we need if we came together as brothers and sisters. So I argue what area would God want us to focus more on? In politics, or coming together as brothers and sisters like they did in the Book of Acts? Remember, the apostles lived in a time where their nation was a vassal state to Rome. There wasn't much representative democracy going about during that time. Yet, they were successful in their lives. How much more should we be living this way in this modern society?

The part about the Law Jesus dealt with on our behalf, is it's condemnation of us. But righteousness itself has not been done away with. We all agree the Law is righteous. I'm not saying we are justified by our ability to keep the Law. Jesus' righteousness justifies us. When we receive Him, He both justifies and empowers us to live righteously. All this said, I argue celebrating God's festivals is an act of faith. Just as Jeremiah stated concerning the new covenant, God would write His laws on our heart. As we grow in His faith, we will have the desire to celebrate. Think about it like this, Jesus while He was here on the earth, did many things on the Sabbath many of the Jewish scribes and leaders considered to be breaking God's Law. To them, Jesus was breaking the letter of the Law. However Jesus was living by the spirit of the Law. With Jesus, we can do this as well.

The only yoke we have is the yoke of Jesus. I challenge us, how much of Jesus do we want to experience? Why should anything dealing with Jesus be seen as a heavy burden? Jesus said His yoke is easy and His burden is light. So I ultimately challenge how we see God's festivals. If I said let's celebrate Thanksgiving, they would be no objections whatsoever. God's festivals are way better than Thanksgiving, and yet most would resist it.

Paul writes this in 1 Corinthians 5:7-8.... "Get rid of the old leaven, that you may be a new unleavened batch, as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with the old bread, leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and of truth. Now, we know the Corinthian church was primarily of Gentile believers. Yet Paul is saying to them when they celebrate the Passover, to keep these things in mind. This shows us foreign believers were celebrating God's festivals back then. It wasn't seen as an exclusive thing for Jewish people, but for all God's people. And we can also see from this, Paul saw the feasts as good for spiritual discipline. We lack these types of things in the Church today. Instead we have made our own traditions, such as Lent and Christmas. Easter is the most related celebration we have to God's festivals, but historically speaking it is on the wrong date. Again, these festivals are meant for all God's people. I encourage everyone to look into it.

I hear you. And this isn't a judgment, but more so an encouragement. Otherwise, would any of us ever feel like these feasts are our feasts to celebrate? It isn't just for Jewish people alone. And we don't have to celebrate it in the same fashion as Jewish people celebrate it traditionally. All we need is unleavened bread and bitter herbs. We don't need Seder plates or the other traditions, even though I'm sure they are fun to do. We can celebrate it and embrace it from our own ethnic background as God's people. So, I'm encouraging my brothers and sisters to embrace their inheritance in God. The other benefit of course is spiritual development. We know leaven represents sin. So the act of removing leaven from our household, and eating unleavened bread for a week teaches us to remove the things from our lives that cause us to stumble. And to live in the holiness that Jesus gave us. Stuff like this feeds our spirit, causing us to have good fruit.

Well, perhaps it's not a requirement. However, if we see Him doing it, why wouldn't we want to do it as well? Another way of looking at it is, we don't have to celebrate American holidays. We don't have to celebrate Thanksgiving, 4th of July, or even our own birthdays. However, if we chose to not celebrate them, we would feel off somehow. (Might even feel depressed about it) The idea being if all was well, we would no doubt celebrate every major American holiday. Go out to eat with friends and family, etc. Now if we feel that way about men's holidays, why do we off-put God's holidays? Why do we feel like His holidays are burdensome? And it remains, if we see Jesus in the millennial celebrating them, would we feel burdensome then to join in with Him?

At the very least, the Fall Feasts are yet to be fulfilled. (As I mentioned concerning Jesus dying on Passover, rising again on First Fruits, birth of the Church on Pentecost) So I would say the Feasts remain as important as they did in the OT. And just like with any celebration or holiday, they commemorate past events. I hear you. Because Jesus is Jewish, it is highly likely He will celebrate these feasts. It is strange to us culturally, but they are relevant to all God's people. In truth, they are our inheritance. I would argue with this, why wait until God's kingdom physically manifests itself on the earth? We are now citizens of God's kingdom. Let's embrace our true culture and heritage!

I know most Christians don't celebrate the LORD's festivals. With probably the main reason being we see them as meant for Jewish people. However, we see these feasts speak on things relevant to all God's people. Jesus dying on Passover, Him rising again on First Fruits, and the birth of the Church happening on Shavuot/Pentecost. Knowing this then, I have a question. When Jesus comes back and is ruling the world, should He decide to celebrate Passover and the other feasts, would you celebrate with Him?

I would say the only reason why scientists would think there is life outside of the earth, is because of how it is believed life came about on this planet. If life came about by abiogenesis, and diversified by evolution, then their must be life elsewhere in the universe. (Though I should also note many Christians also believe God created through these processes.) For me, it would be hard to see there being life similar to us outside the earth. Creatures with some type of flesh. There are certainly other beings God created, but they are spiritual in nature. The Earth could be the very first planet God created to be inhabited. (Isaiah 45:18) After everything is said and done, perhaps God will create and order more planets throughout the universe. Perhaps He will allow us to help in that task.

Yes, the Beatles were into some very deep demonic stuff. And they were used greatly by the enemy to destroy many people's lives. They single handedly brought over a lot of Hindu practices like yoga, and Christians have been caught up in it to this day. I would be horrified if someone played anything of the Beatles at my funeral service. Yet for President Carter, it seems this song was a favorite of his. I doubt he was ignorant of the things said within the song, but he willingly ignored it. (Just like many of us willingly ignore a lot of things to satisfy our own lust) Now no one can say if President Carter was truly saved or not. Only God knows his heart, just like He knows our heart. However, this isn't a great sign having this song played at your funeral. Again I'm not saying he is/he ain't, I'm just saying the fruit isn't good. Think about it, with this song being played, there will be children who knew diddly squat about the Beatles, now being introduced to this demonic group. They now will potentially be messed up, all because of Carter's indulgence into such a song. Carter left a stumbling block upon his death.

Yet, we should be looking forward to when He returns. The Biblical Feast days could offer insight on this, just as Passover, First Fruits, and Pentecost all had significance to Christian events. These feasts are God's appointments. Concerning Christmas, it does have more relevance to the wise men who went to see Jesus. In Rick Larson's film "The Star of Bethlehem", he makes a case the wise men may have arrived to see Jesus on the very date of Dec. 25th. (Based on what he believes may have been the star they were following) I encourage everyone to watch it this year! That said, I would love to see Christians take up celebrating the Feast Days within the Bible. These holidays are more than just memorials, but are also rehearsals for future events.

Haha, you even quoted and split the numbered sections. If you keep doing that, you will have posts ten miles long. That said, I'll try to keep this post shorter and address the most important responses. Yet overall we may have come to an impasse. Which is cool. I respect our convictions. You asked me what I believe the soul is? I ultimately believe the soul/and or spirit is our core person. Just as God is Spirit, angels/sons of God are spirits, we too are spirits. We have an extra element with our bodies. I also believe when God made Adam, God also created his soul/and or spirit within the body. So Adam's existence began in that moment, with his spirit inside the body. When Adam died, his body was left here, but his very person which is his soul/and or spirit, went to the place where the righteous dead would wait for Jesus. (Or at least I think Adam was apart of the righteous dead. If not, he went to the other side of it) So that is my understanding of the soul/and or spirit. One person's soul, as Jesus stated, is more valuable than all the world put together. I don't believe it is just an energy source from God, but that we ourselves are literally souls/and or spirits. On to whether or not animals have souls, or have the breath of life, Scripture does say animals indeed have the breath of life. Genesis 1:30 states...... "And to every beast of the earth and every bird of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth—everything that has the breath of life in it—I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. Also Genesis 2:19 says........ "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name." Here we see God formed the animals out of the ground, just like man, and they are called living creatures. In the Hebrew, that is the same phrase used to describe Adam in Genesis 2:7, "living soul" "living creature" Hebrew "נֶפֶשׁ חַיָּה" (hayyah nephesh). Now, if you're looking for an exact phrase of God breathing into animals nostrils, no, you won't find it. Yet as we can see here, animals have the breath of life within them and are declared as being living souls just like Adam. It would be splitting hairs to say because there is no verse speaking of animals' nostrils, is evidence animals have no soul. And again if having a sense of morality is also equated with having a soul, as many Christians believe and debate with atheists over, God judged the morality of animals during the flood judgment. God declared animals corrupted their way on the earth as well as men. Genesis 6:7 says..... So the LORD said, “I will blot out man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—every man and beast and crawling creature and bird of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.” So animals were judged right along with man. Jesus also stated that God cares for the animals, and not one sparrow falls without Him knowing. In the laws concerning sacrifice, if the people didn't do it correctly, they could be held guilty for murdering an animal. Leviticus 17:3-4 ‘Anyone from the house of Israel who slaughters an ox, a lamb, or a goat in the camp or outside of it instead of bringing it to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting to present it as an offering to the LORD before His tabernacle—that man shall incur bloodguilt. He has shed blood and must be cut off from among his people. This is a very serious penalty, and it is over shedding the blood of animals. So this is convincing evidence animals have a soul. Finally on the case of souls being placed inside fetus who depend on their mother, you asked me what would be the purpose of God placing it there during that time? I responded why not? The implication I get from your first question is what good is it to place the soul in a vessel that is not complete. In a vessel where you can't do much of anything, its almost like a prison. Well, if that is the case, as I mentioned, our earliest memories are at around 3-4. So before that time, we are much like that forming vessel. We aren't doing anything on our own. We are VERY much still dependent on our mom, and those taking care of us. Adam was independent. He was able to function, and he knew who he was. All the implications are if you go by the "pattern", then go by the whole pattern. Adam had a fully functional body before becoming the living soul. If we argue the full pattern, then placing a soul in a body that is still dependent on their parents is pointless. Yet you wouldn't argue a person doesn't have a soul until their body is fully developed. You are not going the whole way according to the pattern. Now you say you aren't arguing "full development", but Adam was indeed "fully developed". That's what we see in the Bible. Yes, Adam had legs, he had arms, he had bones, he had working organs, so on and so forth. To say this is splitting hairs is not a viable response. No one would say Adam didn't have these things. This is the pattern. It doesn't matter if you wasn't arguing this if this is what is in Scripture. So I speak to what is written in Scripture, and Adam's body was perfect from the jump. That is the pattern. So it is right to argue the holes in this. Are people who are born without limbs have no soul? Are people with defects in their bodies are simply physical life, but not spiritual? What is the point of them having souls/and or spirits without a functioning body? (People who are born blind, people who are born deaf. People born with brain disorders that don't allow them to mature to adult ways of thinking. Is that no different from being a fetus?) So these are the questions you must ask yourself, but if you choose not to, it still doesn't deny the full pattern we see that Adam had a functioning body with all these things present. So I think that is the gist of what I want to respond to. I'll read your final response as well.

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I'll respond to your points numerically. I'm still new to these forums, so I'm not yet adapt at quoting point by point. 1. That is pretty hard-pressed to separate what God says about blood and explaining why not to consume it, along with him mentioning the blood of people. Even when we look at when Cain killed Abel, God made it a point to say it was Abel's blood crying out to Him. God basically tells Noah for someone to shed man's blood, that is the very definition of taking their life. (And God Himself explains humans are made in His image, which I assume you believe has spiritual implications? All that is wrapped within God's commentary of blood) Both men and animals have blood. 2. Both verses 4 and 5 in Genesis 9 use the same verbage. In truth when you look at the Hebrew, it actually uses the word for soul which is "נֶפֶשׁ" (nephesh). So both animals and men have nephesh, and its wrap up in the blood of flesh. Now we might say the soul is a kind of spiritual energy that animates the body. Well, it appears it physically manifests itself (to some degree) with our blood. I'm not saying the blood is the soul, but its connected according to Scripture. 3. James 2:26 doesn't say anything against what I've been speaking on. Perhaps you can explain further what you mean, and what you believe I'm saying. 4. So are you saying Jesus' physical suffering and death on the cross was all just for show? That it really didn't mean anything? And to clarify, are you telling me Jesus could have paid for our sins without all the beatings, being nailed to the cross, and dying? If that is what you're saying, I would disagree. All of Jesus sufferings and the spilling of His blood, had spiritual significance. That is to say, something was literally happening "behind the scenes" in all of Jesus physical sufferings. And when Jesus said "It is finished", He was signifying He had successfully received the sin of all humankind onto His shoulders, and Him dying was the end result. Think about it like this, with all the torture Jesus went through before being nailed to the cross, any normal man would have died along the way. Jesus was struck in the head multiple times by both the Jewish people and the Roman soldiers. (And I doubt they were giving Him love taps) He was also struck across the head with a reed staff, and I doubt it had a soft exterior. Things like this was going on all through the night and morning. Jesus' face must have been horribly bruised and battered. (Add on to it, they plucked out the hair from His beard) Then with all that, we know the Roman soldiers whipped Jesus with a cat-o-nine tails, which most likely had pieces of metal scraps attach to the ends. According to Jewish law, a man was not to endure more than 40 lashes. Yet for Romans, they weren't bound to such law. We don't know how many times Jesus was whipped, but we can imagine by the end of it, His entire back was probably flayed open. So much so, you could probably see bones from Jesus' ribs. Like I said, any normal man would have probably been dead from all that abuse. Yet Jesus endured all this, and He was strong because He was completely righteous in Himself. Perhaps He couldn't die until sin was completely transmitted onto Him. He was nailed to the cross at around 9 am. At 3 pm, He said, "It is finished", meaning the sin of the world was now on His shoulders. And from that, He died. This is my understanding. What is your understanding? 5. Your definition of a complete physical body seems to only mean being able to exist without the umbilical cord. This may be your definition, which would be speculation concerning when God places a soul/and or spirit inside a person. Yet even outside the womb, a baby doesn't have a complete functioning body like Adam's. Adam on the day he was created, could walk and talk. He could reproduce with Eve. He had all his limbs, he had all his teeth, he was fully developed. (Him and Eve) You ask me why an incomplete fetus needs a soul? I hate to answer a question with a question, but perhaps the best answer is why not? You believe God puts the soul/and or spirit in a person when their body develops to the point of being able to survive outside the womb. Yet, none of us can remember what life was like as babies. Our earliest memories come in at around the age of 3-4. So what is the point of having a soul for the previous 3 years, if we can't remember anything we did during that time? Our person was basically on auto-pilot, which might as well be similar to the idea of a soul being placed in a forming fetus. The argument then could be made perhaps God places the soul of a person around the age of 3-4. Yet ultimately again with this idea of full development, we could argue God places the soul in a person at the age where their body is indeed fully developed. If the soul indicates things like personality for instance, all of us act differently from when we were children. 6. Its not splitting hairs at all. If the pattern is a complete body in the most literal sense, then it must be a body similar to Adam's body. Adam's body had limbs, it had a fully functional brain. All of his organs were fully developed, no puberty. So if a person is born without parts in their brain or defective parts, they don't have a fully functioning body. If someone is born without limbs, they don't have a fully functioning body. Yet, they are alive, and we assume they have a soul/and or spirit. 7. So Genesis states God breathed into Adam, "the breath of life". During the flood judgment in Noah's day, Genesis 7:22-23 states....... "Of all that was on dry land, everything that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. And every living thing on the face of the earth was destroyed—man and livestock, crawling creatures and birds of the air; they were blotted out from the earth, and only Noah and those with him in the ark remained." It's stated every land dwelling creature, both man and animals alike, had the breath of life in their nostrils. So it wasn't just Adam. And something interesting about the flood judgment is, the animals were also condemned along with men concerning corruption in the earth. God was grieved over the actions of both men and animals. We usually equate spiritual matters with the sense of morality. Here we see God judged the animals for their lack of morality. These things might be heavy indicators that animals also have souls/and or spirits. (That is if we equate these things with morality) Remember in Genesis 1, God blessed the animals as well as humans. God didn't speak to the stars and blessed them. God didn't speak to the sun or moon and blessed them. Yet to the creatures, He spoke to them. To us, He spoke to us. These are indicators. 8. Then its all speculation as to when God places the soul and spirit, including when you believe it happens. How do you know ability to exist outside the womb indicates a fully developed body? Physically speaking, a body is not fully developed at birth. We don't even know who we are at birth, or can speak and interact with the world from our person. Our earliest memories are again around 3-4. Yet if believing God places the soul/and or spirit in the body at 4 is ridiculous because clearly there is life there, why not say there is life there when we see a fetus sucking their thumbs? This is not grasping straws or splitting hairs, because at the end of the day, we don't explicitly know when God does it. And this is the point of the thread overall. Speculating when He does it based on what is written. Most responses say it all happens at the very conception of a fertilized egg. I listed three problems for why this may not be the case. Most aren't fully willing to dive into this conversation, and I can respect that. To your specific points, I would argue against, but you could be right as well. Between our two views, I would say at the end of the day, it is both speculation. My view isn't definitive when God does it, but I suggest it could be around the time there is blood in the fetus. You believe God does it at the time the fetus can survive outside the womb. Both are speculative, but I imagine you may see your view as more definitive based on what Genesis 2:7 says. I want you to see there are holes in this take if we equate Adam's body with how we are brought into the world. So I should have covered all your points and questions. From your points, it may be we have different views concerning the soul/and or spirit. Do you believe the soul/and or spirit is just energy, or is it our core being? This is to say when we die, do you believe we are conscious beings with just our soul/and or spirit? Do you believe in the idea of soul sleep?