Just done a bit of study on this second point of yours and have found in my study notes FATER MAY MEAN ancestor,also in verses 11-25 MAYBE you should do a bit of study for youself on these points you posted but i know you will come back with some great answer to dispute what i have found just by doing a bit of study on these in the last 15 mins
God bless and clarify your ideas
Daniel
Can you tell me is Fater in Greek or Hebrew, please? I want to look this up.
I think its Hebrew