Joy in the Journey

Yeah, many will say there is "undenyable" proof that that Earth is billions of years old...but I'd rather believe in the Bible as literal; not open to man's interpretation. That being said, I simply believe God when He said that "in 6 days, God created the earth and seas and all that is in them" (Exodus 20:11). You know, modern science says that a global flood never happened, yet you'd be hard pressed to find a Christian that denies the flood story...so if science is wrong about that (which they are), why can't they also be wrong about the age of the Earth too (which they are) ? If you trace the geneology as provided in the Bible back, you will find that in doing some simple math, it comes out to be ~ 6000 years from today all the way back to Adam (ever wondered why God put all those borring names and geniologies in the Bible ? Now you know! ) The Bible also says that there was no death before the fall and that because of Adam's sin, all death and decay is a direct result of the fall...that being said, if the fall was 6000 years ago as we believe it to be, there could not have been any death older than 6000 years- making all these alleged fossils aging millions of years old to be nothing more than a lie to pull peoples' faith from the Bible away. Not that any of this will be well received by many, but I believe that the Bible speaks for Itself just as God intends it too. God bless, Tim

So tell me something- why aren't animals that die today rapidly buried and fossilized like they supposedly did millions of supposed years ago ? All the buffalo that were killed in the great plains; why didn't they fossilize ? Was it because they were exposed to the elements and scavenger animals ? If that is so, which to me is logical, then why weren't these "prehistoric" creatures subjected to predation, scavenging and elemental factors as they are today...it's almost as if something very fast happened that buried them suddenly and alive- something....like a world wide perhaps Why aren't there any fossils forming today right under our eyes like they allegedly did millions of years ago ? Why were conditions so much more conducive to fossilization then but are not today ? Sadly, even Christians are siding with today's [pseudo]science and taking the position that instead of taking God's proven Word for it, they say the creation week wasn't really a week (Exodus 20:11 ) And furthermore they don't believe the flood really happened (2 Peter 3:3-7 ) After all, I've never read any secular, "main stream" scientists agreeing with the Biblical account for the flood or admitting it really occured- in fact "they" claim there is no evidence for such a flood...the Bible says there was regardless what man may say....and it was only ~ 4500 years ago...so perhaps if "they" are wrong about the flood (which "they" are )- is there any chance "they" could be wrong about the earth's age and all these supposed 'fossils' they find ? Just curious, Tim

How do you know ? Even if it does have a half life of 1.26 bln years- can you prove ( beyond a reasonable doubt ) that it has always had that long of a half life ? That may sound crazy to you, but your "proof" that the Earth is old by current dating methods sounds crazy to me- and to be honest, it's a huge leap of faith to put your eternal soul in the hands of man who simply claim it to be true. Anyway, you'll probably try to tear me apart now and deny that you have faith in science ( AKA- a religion ), and it's been peer reviewed so therefore it must be true...and bla bla bla As I've said- proof is in the eye of the beholder. ...go ahead- I've heard the rantings before. If science is your god, so be it. Don't believe in God then- that's your choice....but as for me ? I simply don't trust man's methods when they are corrupt from the start...I'd rather start with a perfect book ( which yes, I have faith in ) and go from there...and the Bible's infinitely more perfect ( as it was written by God Himself ) than a science book is ( which was written by man himself ) Cheers, Tim

Hey Butero, In this forum there is a "sticky thread" at the top discussing the 5 points of Calvinism in contrast to Arminisim- it explains the differences in detail. Just a friendly FYI in case you didn't see it Love in Christ, Tim

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I like that. Can I borrow that one? Sure! If it helps to get the truth across that modern scientific "proof" is nothing more than man's opinon and never has been nor will be fact- use it as often as you need to Just because a bunch of "experts" say it's so- doesn't make it so - Romans 1:22 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools ....however, because God says something is so- it always is so Cheers, Tim

Regarding the argument of "how could all the animals fit into the Ark"...I would like to copy/paste something I found while researching this very issue...you can read the entire article HERE This is a little bit of what it says... As you can see, there really is no problem given the Ark's size. Cheers, Tim

Why ? There was no fear of man prior to the flood....you do believe in the Words of the Bible ? Genesis 9:2-3 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. What do you think God is saying here ? Cheers, Tim

What gave you that impression ? He struck me as, while a "good" person, not too keen to anything Christ centered Of course, it's not for any man to make that call as only God has that right and only God knows his heart. But in the end, the Bible does say we can see who are Christians by the fruit they bear- and I really didn't see how he could be seen as a Christian. A good and decent man ? Yes- but "good" does not qualify one for Heaven; only Jesus and faith in Him does. Just wondering what gave you the impression that he loved the Lord from watching the Croc Files ? Cheers, Tim

Like anyone could even know that ( sorry, I couldn't resist ) Cheers, Tim

Alright, in all fairness I'm sorry for having a run on you mate. To answer your questions, I do believe there were animals that simply were not able to cope with the climate changes after the Flood and they are now, sadly extinct. Do I think there were all the dinosaurs we see in museums and books ? I am cautious as to how someone can find a chip of a tooth and construct an entire animal out of it And as a Christian, I choose to believe the Bible over man- regardless of how silly it makes me look. I do know for a fact that the Bible says that Adam, the first man was created 6000 years ago and there was no death before he sinned. Just the other day I read where they claim to have found a skull of a child that is said to be 3 million years old- someone is not telling the truth here...and I know it's not the Bible that's wrong- therefore if science is wrong about that, they can surely be wrong about other things as well- and they are....but that's a whole different discussion! So in short, I do believe there were animals, perhaps large reptile like creatures that have since died out...but it was less than 6000 years ago that this happened. Cheers, Tim

So true mate. He helped me get over the initial "hump" so to speak as well and I'm thankful for his work. I hope and pray that things will work out for him...and as I said earlier, I don't judge the man either- we all make mistakes Cheers, Tim

You're welcome - Tim

I agree 100 % - Hovind's mistake has nothing to do with his presentation of the truth. Just because he sinned doesn't mean everything he taught is inherently wrong...if that were the case, there wouldn't be any preachers in any church anywhere in the world. Cheers, Tim

Well shucks! I thought I had all me ducks in row...and here all along I thought is was a global consipacy to inudate the markets and indoctrinate the masses with the biggest lie ever told....after all, all those bright scientists just couldn't be wrong since they all agree with each other No one could be that misguided That'll teach me to trust the Bible won't it Cheers, Tim