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Ben, I think alot of folks here (in their own rude way) have been trying to say that they don't get what you are trying to connect with smoking. Would you clarify what you are getting at please?

bbs, I know you are deeply struggling with this situation. I feel that continuing in the lies is not the best way to go here. There is no doubt your husband will be devestated but if you trust God to work out the details you can't go wrong. Just continue to bathe the matter in prayer and trust God to help you and your husband through this whatever the outcome may be. God bless you.

I think you need to listen to new radio stations and stop getting advice from man-made books in the "christian" bookstore. Instead open the word of God and let it be your guide.

Ronald, I don't have to have been cheated on to know what scripture says and know what God expects of his children. Yes, divorce is allowed if infidelity occurs in a relationship but only the non-offending spouse can make that call. You can't go out and have an affair and then decide to divorce your mate. It is clearly against God's standards. I wonder at what point it started becoming about our feelings instead of being obedient to God's word. The question for anyone is, how big is your God? Is He big enough to restore trust? Is He big enough to restore a love relationship with your spouse? Or do you decide that it can't humanly be done and walk away. AND BTW Ronald, I have been closer to this type of situation than I ever care to be, not that's it's your business and not that it makes any difference as to what the word of God says about divorce. I think some here need to be examining why they dish out "advice" that is clearly against God's word.

What the heck kind of advice is that????????????????? What happened to the truth will set you free? Honey, we're all human, I don't condemn you or judge you, but I do say, tell your husband, leave him, because he will never get over it and both of you get on with your lives. He deserves someone he can trust and you have to be big enough to let him be happy. My husband cheated on me 9 years ago and I still don't trust him, never will, that is that and I wish I'd left a long time ago. You'll be allright, live and learn. Jesus loves you, BTW I was raised SDA and I understand the whole false church thing and the effect it has on your life and your thinking process. Sorry if I was too harsh. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yikes. This too is not very sound advice according to the word of God. God allows for divorce in the case of infidelity but that choice is there for the one who remained faithful to make. (reference 1 Cor. ch.7 and Matthew ch. 19). If you tell your husband and he is willing to remain with you, then it is your obligation to him and to God to work it out with him. It's not about feelings but obedience to God's word. No doubt the situation is difficult but restoration is possible when preceeded by true repentance. God is in the healing business and can mend broken lives. Trust Him to help you work through this no matter what the outcome. God Bless

Vile words: My faith is quite strong and am I not fearful to allow debates but only when they don't degrade the Savior and speak lie after lie about Him. You can bet your bottom dollar I am going to stand for the word of God and not water down the truth.

Tell me where in the bible it says that I should be tolerant of someone who speaks vile words against Jesus Christ and then you may have a leg to stand on. Respect isn't something that's automatically given just because someone exists. Respect must be earned. I am sure the Jesus Christ is the King of kings and Lord of lords. I am sure that he came to this earth, fully human and fully God. He lived a perfect life, died on the cross for my sin so I could spend eternity in heaven and he was resurrected. I am sure that He is second to no man and worthy of all praise, glory and honor. That my friend will never change.

David Tolerance as described in Webster's dictionary is "The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others." It says nothing about harming someone if their beliefs differ. I don't have to "tolerate", by definition, the blasphemy that is Islam. I love christians and non-christians alike because Christ commands me to. Loving someone and tolerating their actions/words etc are two different things. Doesn't the bible say love the sinner hate the sin?

Pretty much an Hillsong song. They are awesome.

Respect it because it degrades and minimizes the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made on the cross so that I can spend an eternity with the Father in heaven? I don't think so.

Cats we are not in the room with Ms. Shaivo. If the hospice agency is doing their job as they should then they are doing things like you did to keep her comfortable. Terri's parents are describing something terrible but the other side of the story is not. I don't know that Terri's parents would be able to describe anything pleasant. Their daughter is dying and it's hard to watch no matter what the situation. I watched my grandmother die so I'm not totally detatched from this situation. I would pray people are doing things that need to be done so that Ms. Shiavo is comfortable. If we are all honest with ourselves, none of us would want to live out our days as Terri has.

I suppose I'm a goat for feeling the way that I do about this particular situation. You see, I'm one who is there with families when they make these very decisions for their loved ones. I'm one who is there with families who are watching their loved one's die because they would prefer not to see them suffer any longer. Does that make them murderers who are out for their loved one's life insurance policy? No. What I resent on this topic is that it is implied that people's who view point differs from the majority are labeled as insensitive "goats" who somehow have totally missed the mark on what it means to be a christian. Thanks cats. I respect most things you say and think you are a wonderful person but we sorely disagree here.

Jim-R, I also question the decision, and, agree that satan will use this issue to divide christians and thus further his own interest in the end. Can we not come to look at this as an area for faith & prayer. God's will well prevail. God had 15 years to perform a miracle for Terry, had many christians in our legal system also praying for her, regardless of the ultimate decision. God has had this period to raise her up, even more so with all the prayer vigils around the world. God can still intervene in these last few days. Is it even possible that God has already spoke, and it is time for Terry to go to be with him, and, only man has prevented that. Do we really know? Is the end result not Gods perfect will, as how he determines it to be for Terry's role within his kingdom. Is there perhaps the possiblity that we are not listening to God, and, that this is being used to cause division between us, that the devil will use this as an end run to accomplish his ultimate goals. I dont know what to do or say. Except pray for Terry, for Gods will to be done, and that Christains unite for his kingdom. Mark <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's one of the most level-headed posts I've read in all these Terri thread's so far. Thanks Mark!

No problem. God bless you for taking a stand and making a difference in your school and community! It's encouraging to know there are wonderful youth out there who love the Lord and stand on His principles!

mikhail... The bible says that a man should love his wife as Christ loves the church and gave Himself for her. How can you say that a man loves his wife if he is sleeping around with any single woman he wants? That's not love my friend, that's lust and selfishness. Neither of those things describe Jesus nor how Jesus would act. You are treading on thin ice my friend when it comes to reading and interpreting scripture.

Ayin Jade had some good suggestions. What came to my mind though was gathering as many christians as you can and before school, during breaks/lunch and after school that day you could gather in front of the school and face it with your hands stretched out to it and pray over it.

What's holding you back? (If you want to pm me instead of posting it all here feel free. I'll be glad to help! )

Great post Chief!

Papa, I sense your frustration. I really do. However, I don't feel that this is an appropriate statement for a child of God to be making. You can't judge someone by their fruit if you don't know that they are a christian to begin with. Non-christians don't bear fruit. I don't have to admit anything about the evidence because frankly, for every physician that says this woman can improve with rehab, there is one who says she can't. It depends on who is funding the website you are looking at or who's side of the fence the informer is on.

I'm wondering why these threads about Ms. Shaivo have ceased to be threads that bring glory to God. All I see is alot of anger and judgement. Maybe we need to be just as worried about the fact that this man (husband) needs a Savior.

John 14:6 says "I (Jesus) am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Romans 1:20 says "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities