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Baptisim couldnt possiably save us because baptisim was practiced thruout all the old Testament. In the hebrew it is called mikvah, ritual washing of ones person before entering into the temple. John was calling those to the Jorden river (not the temple) to prepare them and the way for Yeshua by baptisim after they repented. John the Baptisit was calling all those who would listen to repent and be baptized. he knew, just like Yeshua did, that the clergy in the temple was corrupt. Thats why he was the one calling out from the wilderness for those to be baptized into a new system, not the old. Thats why he said that he only baptized with water, but, there would be one to come after him that would baptize with fire and the holy spirit. And thats a baptizing from within. We can be baptized by water 100 times, but that just washes our flesh. We first must be born again, born from above, born of the Holy Spirit. Then as TESTIMONY to our being born again, we are obediant and show others OUR TESTIMONY by being baptized in water. As Yeshua was obediant unto death on the cross, buried in a tomb, raised up by the power of the Holy Spirit, we too must take up our cross(be obediant and die to the flesh) be buried in the water, and raised up a new creation. This is an outward testimony to an inward change. A new birth. We follow the Lamb now. As the israelits followed God by their outward testimony of mikvah (baptisim), now They were called to follow Yeshua by Mikvah(Baptisim). It was their outward testimony that now they would be baptized into the new covenant which was to be a better way, namely Yeshua. It does not save you, It is your pledge, your witness, your testimony that you belong to Him.

greetings Undecided, you say that the muslims do not worship mohommed, yet all thruout the Koran, the muslims are told to obey God and His Apostle. If the Apostle is Mohommad, and not God, why would they obey him? He is just a man, right. Remember, they believe that God has no son. here is an example:In Sura xxx111(The Confederates) quote30: "And it is not for a believer, man or woman, to have any choice in their affairs, when God and His Apostle have decreed a matter: and whosoever disobeyeth God and His Apostle, erreth with palpable error." And quotes like this are thruout the Koran. Its always about following and obeying God(ALLAH) and His Apostle. Sounds like they worship both to me. Yes, in a sense theirs is a peaceful religion as long as you belong to that religon. But try and practice another religion in one of the many arab countries and see what you get. Its okay for Muslims here in America to worship the way they want because here in America we have this freedom to do so. But I am not allowed to worship Jesus the Christ, or practice Judaisim, or any other form of religious practice in the many different arab countries, as it might mean certain death for me. As christians, we are commanded to pray for our enemies, not kill them. We also have the choice to follow Jesus or not. Not so among many muslims. If they decide to go out of their faith to worship something else besides Allah, they risk death. I would that all men would seek and know Jesus as God, but if they chose not to, thats there choice. I do not judge them, Im commanded not to. I do not murder them, Im commanded not to. I have the Koran. I bought it after the 9-11 attack. I wanted to know why they felt the way they do. I do not agree with it at all. There is nothing I find peaceful about it. Undecided, may i ask why you call yourself that? And the frog part? Where does that fit in? Just curious. Oh yeah, and what brought you to worthyboards? are you agnostic ? again, just trying to see what your beliefs are. Shalom

yeah, I think I was at that convention, praise God I have been set free since then. I got reaaaaaaaalllllllll busy in the church,praise team, drama, teaching,ect... and during all that, I did not get busy with Him. He was faithful though and sat me down and told me to be still and Know Him. That article was my life at one time. I could really see myself in it when I read it. Satan is such a cunning deciever isnt he? Most of the things in that article spoke of worldly committments and pleasures. But this happened to me even while I was going to church. But I was busy about ministering to others in stead of ministering to Him. Sometimes we say bless us Lord, Bless me, Bless them ect.. But we should be Blessing Him. and sometimes, such as with my situation, we get so busy doing good works and such, that we forget to sit down and let Him just Be God.

here is my take on "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" Yod- Let it be Hey- breath, spirit vav- so it is done Hey-breath, spirit Yod-hey-vav-hey= Yvhv= Yahwey Yod=creation by creator Hey=spirit that moved upon the waters in Gen. creation story vav=Yehsua said "It is finished" Hey=breath, spirit, indwelling believers by their being born again thru Yeshua bringing us back to the Father. His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven is His Kingdom. And to be a King and have a kingdom you must have subjects, right? The kingdom is now without observation but is within us, but it will one day soon be established on the earth just as it is in heaven, with Yeshua reigning supreme as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. This is just how I see it. be blessed

The only ones i have read about that still do animal sacrafices are the Samaritans. They are about 600 of them give or take that live in Israel and continue to sacrafice animals.

Listen ServingHim. I am of no denomination nor do I agree with the Catholic beliefs. But I will say this, if You are a believer and follower of Yeshua, then You are my sister, and no denomination or church makes it so, Yeshua makes it so. Yea, I guess i come down a little hard on denominations and catholic dogma, but from my heart its just because I am letting the Father teach and lead me by His Holy Spirit. I put no faith or trust in man, only God. If i have ever offended you, please forgive me. But for myself, I will lean not upon my own (or anyone elses) understanding. One of the things I have found in m y own walk with discussing beliefs with others, is that I do agree to disagree at times, but i will try to see where they are coming from. When will we ever be united in all things spoken of by Him? When he returns. Then He will rule with a rod of iron, One King with One people. be blessed

What an awesome story and testimony from that little boy Big Steve. We serve an Awesome God! Know what? One day EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue will confess that Yeshua is Lord! There is life and death in the Tongue. This precious child speaking life, the mocker speaking death. I believe it happened. With God ALL things are possiable! be blessed

Islam- You must kill and be killed (Voluntary, suicide bombers) in the name of Mohammed in order to go to paradise(heaven). Christianity-Jesus(Yeshua) Voluntary offered up Himself to be killed so that we can go to paradise(heaven). Which god do you think loves you more? John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down ones life for his friends."

If I may add also, There are many who have heard of Yeshua, but still do not believe He is the Messiah. Even the demons know of Him. For those who have never heard of Him, and die without the knowledge or opportunity to accept Him(Yeshua) as their savior, I do not know what their judgement is. But I do know that it is not enough to just believe, for like I said, even the demons believe and they tremble. We have to first believe that He is God , made in the flesh, that He died for our sins, that He arose from death, and that He ascended to The Father and that He is coming back. Once our spirit bears witness with His Spirit, we will confess ourselves sinners, in need of Yeshua our savior, we will ask forgiveness, and then we will repent(go and sin no more). The muslims believe Yeshua is the forerunner for Mohommed. They believe He will appear first to prepare the way for Mohommad.They believe He was only a prophet. The jews believe Yeshua was only a prophet, and "a good jewish man". Thats all. They do not believe He is God, who came in the flesh. But Yeshua said more blessed are those who believe(that He is The I Am)and have not seen Him, than those who had seen Him and believed. The 3 largest religons (Islam, Judaisim, Christianity) are all looking for the return of Yeshua. The muslims look for Him to return right before Mohammed. The jews look for the return of the Messiah (although they do not believe it will be Yeshua) And the christians are looking for the return of Yeshua. we must be very careful to hold on and preach the gospel that was first delievered to the disciples, because there is definately "another Jesus, (Yeshua)" who will be coming on the scene, and if it were possiable, he would even fool the elect. I believe when we start to see tolerance in the different faiths, and a possable merging(coming togethere) under one umbrella, such as catholics accepting muslims as brothers in the faith simply because they "believe" Yeshua was a prophet, (but they call protestants erring brothers, go figure), or when we start to hear a different gospel preached, other than Yeshua and Him crucified, then the we are well on our way to a one world religion whom you will either confess to be a part of or not. But when we start to see these things coming to pass we need only to look up!Our redeemtion is drawing nigh!! Be blessed

Baruch HaShem Yahweh!! Amien!

I read different books by different authors on their take of scripture or on their testimony and find it to be okay. Although the scriptures to me are the final authority, I can also see Gods work in different peoples lives thru their testimony and witness of Him. Are there different books spoken of in the scriptures that are not part of the scriptures? Seems like I read somewhere in the bible of a couple of them. Will try to find that today. A lot of people I know wont even look at the apocrapha, stating that its all fallecy, but that is simply not true. Like I said, the Scriptures are my final authority, but there were witnessess to Yeshuas resurrection, who did not follow Him, but wrote of Him. I agree with you dwinkjr about historical time lines and such. Thats why I study hebrew roots, to get to know why the jews believed as they did and still do, and I believe that all should study the history of Israel, their beliefs, traditions, oral and written. Someone once said to me that the Torah and the first 4 books of the new testament(the gospels) was all we really needed and the rest was just commentary. I guess he meant the rest were just letters written to the different churches. Although I do not agree with that analogy, I see what he was saying is that we live by the word of God and Jesus and not by Pauls word, or Peters word, ect... I believe all scripture is the word of God, but some apparently dont even believe that. Oh well, just compare everything you read with scripture to make sure it lines up with scripture. Thats what makes us bereans! Study to show thyself approved. shalom

have some prayer warriors here praying cats. Im glued to the weather channel. Hang in there. God will protect you.

Glory, Glory,Glory!! Praise You Father! Welcome to the family of God Steve!!!!! love you my brother- Yahsway

WoW! Do I feel like an idiot. I never heard of this predestination. Been reading all the posts. I must study up on this John Calvin and his dogma. I did look up the word on the net and came to a site I found interesting that I agree with on the subject. True, the scriptures do refer to predestination, but check this out. I would be interested to get feeback on this. Thanks Yahsway, not My way! the site is: members.tripod.com/crossbearer-brian Shalom!!!!

You are right johnp, inthat causing division between old and new is just that. But dont you think the church has done that for many years? What I mean is, with a lot of believers its "out with the old, in with the new". To me, the greatest division if you will, is the page in most scriptures that reads"New Testament". Dont get me wrong, I know we are no longer under the curse of the law(in our flesh) but we are now under the Spirit of the law(Thru the blood of Yeshua and the imparting of His Spirit to us), But Gods laws have not changed or been done away with as some would preach. The jews have always been a witness in this world of the Torah(teachings, words ,instructions of God), although they have been blinded by God for our sakes, so that we may become a part of the family of God thru His Son Yeshua. The Christians have been a witness in this world of who Yeshua (which is the living word, the Torah who became flesh)Is. You cannot have one without the other. As for now, yes they both stand as witnesses thru out the Earth of God and His Son. It is ONE BOOK. Just as the Father and Yeshua are one. Yes, with ONE people, Jew and Gentile, becoming One in Messiah. Just as you have God the Father, You have God the Son, One Spirit, One made Flesh, Both One God. Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST. Not only do they keep the commandments of God(Old Testament) but they also have the testimony of Jesus(New Testament). We are all called, be we either jew or gentile believers to be witnesses of Yeshua. The gentiles have been called to provoke the jews to jealousy to have what we have, namely Yeshua. But you wont do that if you tell them that the "old testament" has been "done away with", because they would question from "what did the "new testament come from"? The Old Testament is our foundation. The New Testament is the revealing of the old testament teachings and prophecies. I once heard a missionary state that he sent many New Testaments overseas to those who did not know about Yeshua. When one certain tribe of peoples had read it, they asked "wheres the rest of the book?". That hit home with me. When Shual said that ALL scripture was good for doctrine, reproof, correction, he was referring to the "old Testament" as there was no new testament cannon at that time. Moses is a type of Yeshua as Moses stated there would be One who would come from their peoples and His word they would hear. Elijah is a type of John the Baptist, one who prepares the way for Yeshua. Gods word was given to the people thru Moses(old test.) as Yeshuas word was given to us after John the baptist came preaching repentance. and one day in the near future i suspect, the two witnesses will come together as one people under one King. be blessed

we are praying for you here cats, and also for all residents of Fl. My parents are looking to move to Florida sometime next year, kinda scares me for them, but they love Fl. So you are definately at the top of our familys prayer list. Please keep us updated. Your sister in Messiah, cindy

Hi Ayin Jade! I too have often wondered about the 2 witnessess. Could it be that they are two groups of peoples instead of just two individuals? The reason I ask this is because in Rev 11:7 says that the beast "will make war against them". I guess I dont see making war against 2 persons, but against 2 people groups perhaps? I wonder if the 2 witnessess are like unto Moses(representing Torah, Gods word in old testament) and also like Elijah(representing or like unto John the Baptist, who prepared the way of the Lord Yeshua)? I see these 2 groups of peoples(Judeo-Christian) as being the 2 witnesses now on this earth about who God and Jesus are. We as Christians do get our heritage so to speak from the Jews. Salvation is from the Jews like Yeshua said. I think the term that they are "clothed in sackcloth" means they are calling people to repentance. This could refer to the jewish peoples who now know that Yeshua is their messiah and they are now prophecying it. Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. (Heathens) And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. While this is happening, I believe this is when the jewish believers start to evangilize the people in the holy city which is a threat to the anti-christ. These are my opinions based on how i read it. Could be wrong. What do you think? be blessed

John 3:6 "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again." John 3:10 "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? Genesis 5:1 This is the the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. The flesh or body of man, is from the ground which was created (Gen 1:1) But the image of God was what God breathed into that flesh which was formed from the ground. What God "breathed" into man was from God Himself and by definition, eternal(2 Cor. 4:18) both the body and the breath of God are a living soul. Flesh=flesh, Spirit=spirit. To be born again is to be born of the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God rests upon Yeshua as stated in Isaiah 42:1-9. And what is it that seperates man from a set-apart, rightous God? SIN. And what is Sin? Sin is trangression of Gods law. And what is the punishment for transgressing any of Gods law? death and eternal seperation from God. And what was required for remission of sins? without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sins. So, I either go out and stone myself, for I have certainly broken His commandments. Or, by faith, I can accept the one who was born from above, who lived out Torah perfectly, who died and shed His blood for whomsoever will accept Him, and then live by the commandments to the best of my ability but knowing that I am not perfect, but He is, and that thru Him I now have an advocate with the Father, n o more seperated from Him, because like Abraham, by my Faith in Yeshua, and believing in The One who sent Him, I am now born again thru His Spirit. To be absent from my fleshly body I will either be eternally in Gods presence or eternally seperated from Him. But thru Gods Son, Yeshua, and the shedding of His blood for me, by faith, I am now born of His Spirit. Born Again. Yes, i need Yeshua. For without Him, I am eternally lost.

Now thats a GOOD question ServingHim! I think a good a GOOD answer can be found in the chapter of Ezekiel 34(Irresponsible Shepherds). This whole chapter to me sums up what I personally see happening today with the sheep and the shepherds who are leading them. be blessed!

Proverbs 30:4 Shabbat Shalom!

BlessYou gypc! Thank you so much for sharing that. This man teaches more or less that we are all "god" and Yeshua himself had to depend on the cross to keep His "perfect self-esteem" from becoming "sinful-pride"? Oh My, sounds like cross worship to me instead of True worship of Yeshua. The cross did not sanctify and make Yeshua Holy, He was and Is holy. the "perfect" "spotless" lamb of God. It was what He Did on the cross, not what the cross did for Him! And Shuller is not trying to convert anyone, just reach out to those who have no religon? Then I sesnse Shuller is preaching another "Jesus" and another gospel. Oh yes, and lets remeber not to hurt ones "personality by telling them they are lost and headed for hell, its not their souls and their eternal life we should be concerned with, just be sure not to damage their self-esteem and personality. Still sounds like a different Jesus and gospel to me. "Every persons hunger for "glory"? I thought God said No flesh was to glory before Him. He shares His glory with no man. A person is in hell when he has lost his "self-esteem"? Again, sounds like the preaching of a different gospel. The only comments made by Schuller that I do agree with here is that He is the founder of the church growth movement and its mega marketing. Rick Warren was mentored by him along with C. Peter Wagner, and a host of others are following suit. Again, Thanks dear berean for the info. More of us should be checking out these so called leaders of our modern churches today. Stay Awake Church. Lets pray hard as not to enter into such deception. Be blessed.

Good analogy tsth!!! be blessed!

okay, let me see if I understand. Tribulation and Wrath are the same thing? God is pouring out wrath and tribulation. So where does the antichrist fit into all this? I mean if all this is done by God for 7 years, who is persucuting the saints on earth? Is it God, or is it Antichrist? Cause if the whole church is going to be gone, guess no one else will be coming into the kingdom after 7 years of this tribulation and wrath of God. Where does the antichrist come into his power and start persecuting the saints? Is it the year before the 7 year trib? When All the disciples were dying for their faith in Yeshua, was this tribulation or was that wrath? what im asking is this. Is the DAY OF THE LORD the wrath, His day of venegence? Is the tribulation period Satans time on earth for 7 years to persecute the saints? I believe they are two different things. God will pour his wrath out on those who are persecuting his people. Tribulation is what is coming upon the whole earth(mankind).The last trump is the 7th trump in Rev . be blessed

Bless you D. Ernie, Your post was the best ive ever read concerning the "rapture". I am in full agreement with you. I used to believe in a pre-trib escape simply because my pastor said so. But then I studied and asked the holy spirit to guide me in this thru scripture. I want lay it all out here because your post would be a hard act to follow so to speak. But I will tell you something that i believe the holy spirit also showed me. When Yeshua was arressted in the garden, the sheep scattered for fear. Peter denied knowing Yeshua. When just right before Yeshuas arrest, Peter takes a sword and cuts off the ear of one of the soldiers. Peter was brave enough when he was in the presence of Yeshua, but after the arrest, he is scared, denies Yeshua, I think scripture says he cursed, and this is when first a servant girl accusses him of being with Jesus of Galilee. My point is this, well, Ill let scripture make it for me. Matt 24:9-13 "then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My names sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets rise up and decieve many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Here in America our bread is buttered very nicely, we do not think that we will have to go thru anything for the Names Sake. Well just get on the rapture bus and fly away. I do not see it that way anymore. Yes, we are saved, but we may be tested just as Abraham was, Do I think many will lose their salvation if they cant endure? I am not their judge. But I know if anyone denies Him, or takes the mark of the beast, they are lost and seperated from Him forever. Judas, who was one of the 12, walked with Yeshua also, but what did he do? He betrayed Yeshua with a kiss. Just like the verse above many will be offended, will betray one another. In order to betray someone, you first have to know them, be their friend. Maybe even a family member. The word betray .means to deliver one up to an enemy, to prove faithless, to disappoint, decieve. Luke 22:46 Then He said to them, "Why do you sleep? Rise and pray, lest you enter into temtation. I think that is what D. Ernie is also saying here at this post. Amen!

I think maybe Cain was. Gen 4:13-15. Just my humble opinion. be blessed