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I felt so wonderful! Wow! To think, I carry His whole Word and Truth inside of me! Its the same feeling I get when I remember that everything is already finished-I don't have to struggle, but rest...ahhh...peace. (thanks logos7 for putting into words what I feel and know but keep forgetting!) I have His word in me. It's a done deal...ahhh...peace. Hey logos7, I didn't mean for you to think I misunderstood you. When you reminded me that Jesus finished everything, I remembered suddenly that I didn't have to worry about the end-Jesus has it all taken care of. When He first showed me what that meant, I felt such a peace come over me. The revelation I had yesterday had that same peaceful feeling-until God's word countered the 'image'. The part of the 'revelation' that is true is the part about the world being able to read about God through the bible (God has made Himself known to the world). Yes, we (Christians) still need His written word, but we get the bonus of His rhema word, where as the world doesn't get that. I will never stop reading the bible and I don't encourage anyone else to either. God's word does make it abundantly clear that His scriptures are vital to us. I think the reason I was bombarded by verses (some of which you and others have quoted here) was so that I could begin to understand the difference between God's rhema word and His logos word. I've heard of it before but it was vague and ambiguous, but, with God teaching me on deception, He wanted me to see there is a difference between His two words. I didn't understand that until just a little bit ago, when I read something that helped me understand the difference more-it's in how I use His words. A Rhema word is personal therefore I am not to "infringe on another" with it, but since His rhema word and logos word confirm each other, I can share my new knowledge with His logos word, which is truth for all and all can understand it - His logos word is like a universal language, one we all can speak and understand. He's given me more understanding since last night thanks to you and everyone else. I'm still not entirely clear on the entire meaning, but I know for certain I'm to keep studying His written word ( I couldn't stop anyways!). You did a very good thing for me reminding me that "it is finished". I'm sorry you thought you confused me! You didn't! I promise!

Is it possible to agree with all of you? This sort of thing never use to happen. When I was a 'babe in Christ' and God would give me revelation (rhema) (thanks nebula!), I had complete faith it was from Him and I had complete understanding of the revelation as well. Because I didn't know His word very well, I never thought to try the spirits. Eventually, either later that day, or sometime that week, confirmation would come with His written word (logos) (thanks again nebula!) I never worried about the source at all (ah, to have the faith of a child!) Because of this, my faith in His rhema has never faltered. If I don't get the logos confirmation right away, I'm comfortable with knowing I will. If enough time went by without confirmation, I believed God was planting a seed that would mature after I'd experienced some things and grown with Him. Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (that whole context). Satan never entered the picture-ever. And I don't really feel that he's the cause of this now. I have no doubt that God is 'growing me up'. He has me studying deception at this point. For example, I was studying His word this morning, and He interpreted part of what I read (the part He wants me to understand). Just as I thought I grasped what He was trying to tell me, confusion came again. I wasn't bombarded by contrary verses this time but logic. Yesterday, it was the same. I was reading and He gave me the understanding. It began good, but then it seemed to turn into...well, it caused me to pause and consider who I know God to be so far, and whether He would do what I was 'shown' or not. My knowledge of God, as of this moment, told me that God wouldn't do this and that the interpretation had gone 'bad'. It's happening more frequently lately and in different areas. When I try to talk about God, or write about Him, I start good, and then I become confused, or it turns bad, or I'm bombarded with verses that seem to conflict with my original wisdom. I end up just falling mute. I know God's word doesn't conflict but my natural mind can't grasp His fullness yet. I agree with nebula about His bringing me to a deeper meaning (He has done this with me before, so I know it is true). I guess I was hoping it was a phase we all go through, but I guess its just me. I'm not worried. So far, the 'deception' has been too obvious. God is right here with me revealing the deception to me. I just don't like it. He is taking me to a new place and I'm not happy having to let go of where I'm at (I haven't been here long enough!) but, I told Him I would go with Him. God is sovereign and all things work together for good for those who love Him (Romans 8:28) For example-Job's suffering is still teaching and comforting people today! I hope Job knows just how valuable his suffering then is to us today.) I just don't want Him to let go of my hand. Thank you everyone for your input! Your fellowship means a great deal to me. P.S. It took me over 2 hours to write this response! How confused can a person get?

Here's what happened this morning. This is a model of what happens to me A LOT. I'm just wondering if it happens to ya'll too, and what you do. I'm driving to work, talking with God about His word and interpretation vs. Holy Spirit revelation (I can be talking with Him about anything). I'm actually doing most of the talking, firing questions at Him endlessly, trying to understand what's in my own head and/or heart. He tells me that His word-the bible-is for the world; I don't 'need' it because I carry His word inside me-the Holy Spirit. He said the bible is so the world can test Him for faithfulness and truth (not His exact words, more an overall idea really...) We (Christians) claim this or that about Him, and we know it's true because His Spirit confirms His word in us; but the world has no way of testing the truth because they don't have His Spirit. So God gave them the bible. I felt so wonderful! Wow! To think, I carry His whole Word and Truth inside of me! Its the same feeling I get when I remember that everything is already finished-I don't have to struggle, but rest...ahhh...peace. (thanks logos7 for putting into words what I feel and know but keep forgetting!) I have His word in me. It's a done deal...ahhh...peace. And then...I started getting bombarded with all these verses that seem to counter what had just been revealed to me. Jesus quoted scripture all the time, Paul said we are to study His word, and there were others but they came so fast I couldn't track them all. Point being, there was enough of God's word for me to question the legitimacy of this "revelation". I don't know if I can call it a 'revelation' anymore. Who gave it me, and who bombarded me with God's word to dispell it? Was it God first, then Satan trying to confuse me? Or was it Satan first, and God protecting me? I know what was shown me in the revelation is true (God'll give me His word to confirm it, which will help me understand it better). At the same time, the verses were true too. And the two didn't necessarily contradict each other, but I did pause and consider and I now hesitate before I 'believing' anything. Aside from the above confusion, this scenario is common with me. It happens when I read God's word, and when I'm praying, and sometimes when I'm not thinking of God at all. I receive understanding, then I'm hit with other verses that seem to contradict (but not always) what I've just been given. Does this happen to anyone else? If so, what do you do?

To the OP: You have no idea how relieved I feel having read what God showed you. God showed me something like this and something else around 8 to 10 years ago. I don't know if its my "calling" (I'm called to the church specifically; I'm not an evangelist), but everything He teaches me comes back around to what He showed me. 10 years ago, I opened my mouth and began telling a few Christians what God had shown me, and I got my first taste of resistance to God's truth. God had prepared me for it beforehand, taking me through what happened to the prophets and how they were argued against (especially Jesus), but it was still a shock. It actually broke my heart because God was warning them and they wouldn't listen. I was surprised to feel that way actually. I thought I'd be angry at them or scared of them, but Jesus told me that it wasn't me who was mourning them; it was the Holy Spirit and He was sharing His grief with me (that is whole other post!). I tried a couple of more times to tell people but they thought I was 'just another crazy 'prophet-wanna be', so they wrote God's warning off, too, and didn't listen. The last time I told someone the entire message, I was completely turned off saying anything anymore to anyone. She said (and this woman does have a personal relationship with Christ; He confirmed it in my spirit) that I was scary and that I needed to earn people's trust and respect before I said something like that to people. That made me angry. Here was a woman that I knew possessed the Holy Spirit and she couldn't recognize His voice? I kind of looked at God and said, "Well, Father. I told her! I've done my part! You deal with her and all the rest of them!" Bless God for His patience! I became confused after that. I knew that I wasn't scary-God's warning was (although there is a lot of hope too-something she and the others missed!), but did she have a point about earning the trust and respect of people? My first thought was that trusting me wasn't what was important. I was sent to deliver a message. People needed to hear God's message, then take it back to Him for confimation or rebuke. My second thought was that to gain the kind of trust she was referring to takes years and years to gain-and there aren't years and years for me to wait to deliver His message. My third thought was that Isaiah, Moses, and all the others had earned their place as spiritual leaders in the hearts and minds of others. My fourth thought, was "God, they aren't going to like the message no matter how much they trust and respect me." Still, no matter what their arguments or resistance, I can't resist God's will-He wants me to tell people. I've done so, here and there, and when I do tell people, I'm still considered crazy and a 'prophet wanna-be' (so what respect I may have gained vanishes instantly). I've even turned off a few people here on Worthy. I'm not a prophet; I'm just a guard on the watchtower. I couldn't even see this coming if it weren't for Him giving me His eyes to see (where is the story about God having someone look twice at the army approaching-looking one way they see nothing, looking another they see...isn't it legions of angels? I gotta find that!) I don't know why He told me. I am totally the WORST person He could've given this to-in my eyes at least. But He did give it to me and I just can't not do God's will anymore. So, after having said all of that, here's my point: you're boldness has blessed me. I want to be bold like you. I'm also glad that I am not the only one God is sharing this with. Thank you and be blessed by God.

I know of two churches in my town that are currently caught up in dispute. One of them split several years ago, and is caught up in dispute yet again. The other one has split. (I don't know the other churches; I'm still researching.) I won't go into why they are or might split. I'm just interested to know if this is a common occurance, a growing occurance, an uncommon occurance, or what. I know there a lot of reasons for churches to split. Why they are splitting isn't the issue. just . I don't want statistics either, just a general feel from y'all about the number of churches splitting in your communities. Seeing this is an international board, it will be interesting to see how widespread it is. If I'm not making sense, let me know.

This is my favorite prayer (next to Jesus' in the garden). The bold is my favorite verse in this prayer. It's gotten me through a lot of tough times. God is Sovereign. 1Sa 2:1 And Hannah prayed, and said, My heart rejoiceth in the LORD, mine horn is exalted in the LORD: my mouth is enlarged over mine enemies; because I rejoice in thy salvation. 1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. 1Sa 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed. 1Sa 2:4 The bows of the mighty men are broken, and they that stumbled are girded with strength. 1Sa 2:5 They that were full have hired out themselves for bread; and they that were hungry ceased: so that the barren hath born seven; and she that hath many children is waxed feeble. 1Sa 2:6 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up. 1Sa 2:7 The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up. 1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them. 1Sa 2:9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail. 1Sa 2:10 The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed. When I long to escape, He brings this prayer to mind, and this verse in particular, and I'm reminded that He brings me down to the grave and raises me up again in order to make me a new creature in Christ. This He does while I live here. So, I choose to endure until He resurrects me here again, and I feel renewed. Death really isn't all that bad to endure when you know Jesus and all the newness in Him is waiting for you when God raises you up again. And when He raises me in all my shiny, white, newness, I want to stay and see what He's going to do with it. Eventually I get all that whiteness stained again, and down into the grave I go to be cleansed and raised in cleaness again.

I want to go where Jesus IS. Its the only REAL place on earth. Thank you for this.

Just a quick thought... Listen to him. Just let him do all the talking the next time you two get on this discussion. Ask God to open your ears to hear how God IS working in his life. You may be doing more for him than you realize but people's pride gets in the way of them acknowledging it. God's word penetrates. Not all of your seed lands on good soil, but SOME of it does. If he doesn't know the difference between knowing God and knowing God, then chances are, he doesn't recognize when God is speaking in that oh-so-quiet voice of His. But His word is doing its work-it never returns to Him void. So listen to him, and look for God. Letting him do most of the talking will also help him 'see' what he believes in a better light. For myself, things make a lot of sense until I start talking about it. I also know that a lot of the time, the truth is in me, but I have to do a lot of talking before it comes to the surface. You don't have to argue with him. Jesus will guide him in truth. Just be there for him when God does reveal it to him. It can be an exciting time, to be sure, but sometimes, it can be unsettling. You are there with him. God knows that, and He'll use you to help him. He already is.

Thank you for all your prayers. I'm glad God put me in his way that morning to take care of him. I'm glad I got to know him and do a little good for him. I really do wish people would think before they purchase a pet and breed a pet.

My daughter took over that role. He even got away from me on Monday and showed up at her school, much to the delight of the kids, and the dismay of the adults. Needless to say, the school knows all about him thanks to my daughter. My daughter called from the school to tell me where he'd gotten to and I went to get him. Several kids "claimed" him, but I've yet to hear from any parents, so I'm thinking it was wishful thinking. My daughter took his picture to school today, and has been asking all week, hoping to find someone who will take him home. I wish I could just get someone to meet him. Kids are always asking for pets and I'm sure, by now, the parents have turned a deaf ear. I'm praying God has a family that is serious about wanting a family dog and will give him a chance.

Well, today is the day. After crying a good bit and begging God for a solution, I woke this morning with the decision to make another attempt with the Sheriff's department. I've been told they will likely euthinize (sp?) him, but to me, that is a far more kind thing to do for this dog than letting him slowly starve to death, breed who knows how many litters of pups that likely will starve to death, get hit by a car and die a slow but painful death, become terrified of people who abuse stray dogs and thus become aggressive out of fear, etc, and etc. "Nixon" is simply too great a dog for that. My prayer is that God softens the heart of one of the guys with Animal Control and will take him home to his family. I think its best for Nixon all the way around seeing that I can't find him a good place to go. I hate it, but to me, it's better than the life he'd live on the streets.

I've done everything I know to do. No one has responded. He doesn't have an ID chip. I'm sure he belonged to someone, though. He's just too friendly. He's about a year old, and although thin, looks very healthy. He has a very soft and silky coat that only improved with a bath. He doesn't seem to have had any training, but he's picking up on things very quickly. He is only a little skittish of loud noises, but I'm sure that came about through wandering around; but he's not afraid of my hands or my feet, nor is he food aggressive. I hate to say it, but I think he was abandoned. With the economy being what it is, I'm sure dumping animals is becoming common place. The county in which I live doesn't have a Humane Society, just the two rescue shelters; and I can't take him to the Humane Society of the neighboring counties because they only take animals from their own counties.

I have been fostering a stray dog (possibly an Australian Shepard) since Friday. He came bounding towards my daughter and I as we left to take her to school. He was so friendly, I thought for sure he belonged to someone, so I put him inside and took my daughter on to school. Since Friday, I have spent over $100 on supplies and have had no luck finding an owner (I make around $750 a month). I have also called one local animal rescue-I have to leave a message and wait for someone to call me back-and have been told there is a waiting list. I called another recuse (the only other one in my county), left another message, and have yet to receive a call back from them. I am assuming they, too, are full. My situation? #1. I live in a matchbox apartment that is too small for this size dog #2. The maximum weight limit for pets allowed at my apartment is 20lbs. "Nixon" (as my daughter has taken to calling him) weighs 42lbs. #3. I start a pet sitting job tomorrow and will be gone for a week, living in someone else's house, and cannot bring the dog with me. #4. I can't even get a call back from animal control because he isn't 'viscious'. #5. All the animal lovers that I know can't (won't) help me. If I don't find a place to take this dog, I will be kicked out of my apartment. I live in Housing Authority! If I get kicked out of here, there is NO WHERE for me and my daughter to go. Can anyone please give me an option that DOESN'T include "dumping him"-as two of the ladies I talked to suggested?

Praise the LORD there are still wise folks around! Proverbs 13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed. Thank you so much to every one who responded. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who gets stuck on things like this. I never thought it could be so confusing doing something good for people. 'People' (the infamous "they") make it look so simple and clear cut. My confusion usually starts because I can see both side of things. Authority, responsibility, and, accountability are awesome things once they become yours-the most awesome being that given me by God. I wish I had known what you guys have shown me. I'd have been able to help them if they needed it. Thanks to God's wisdom working in ya'll and ya'll passing it on to me, I'll think more...'soundly' than I did this time. I know ya'll have blessed me. Father, I pray these words of wisdom bless those who come after. Amen!

I was standing at the checkout at Walgreen's. In front of me, there was an elderly couple trying to return or replace a battery for the man's hearing aid. He believed it was the battery that was causing his hearing aid to cut out from time to time. The manager they were talking to was frowning sternly, and with a rigid tone, asked if they had a receipt for the battery (she had to ask loudly because the man couldn't hear well). They didn't. Because of the manager's tone, I instantly grew concerned that this man was going to be turned away. I didn't care for her tone. She sounded as if she believed this man was trying to manipulate her out of a battery. I thought it was a very disrespectful tone. The elderly couple looked to me like very old farmers (I do live in a farming community somewhat), or just people who worked really hard all their lives-real "salt of the earth" type people. They were wrinkled from head to toe and were likely much younger than they looked. Both were ailing, but also struck me as good natured, friendly people. My heart immediately went out to them, and I was instantly put off by the manager's tone. Just as quickly, my thoughts turned to the perspective of the manager. Her job is to protect the company. She doesn't know these people, so they could've been trying to take advantage of her in order to get a free battery for his hearing aid. I could then easily explain her tone as being one designed to inform the couple that she was not going to be manipulated and would do what was right for the store. Perhaps she did want to help them, despite their not having a receipt, but for justice's (what you do for one, you do for all) sake, could not make an exception for them. A perspective I can agree with too. She didn't kick them out of the store but took them aside, and it was my turn to check out. I paid for my purchases, but kept looking at the couple. Suddenly, I had the thought to hand my change (some $11.00) over to the cashier and tell her that if they needed the cash to buy a new battery, to let them have it. I thought this was an amazing idea and I almost did it. I wanted to hand over the cash because I felt that they might need it but I had no facts to back this up. I didn't do it because I was overcome by confusion. I wanted to help the couple; God knows I did, but I didn't know if they really needed the cash. I didn't want to offend them, which I could have done if they didn't really need the cash. So, there I was. Stuck trying to figure out what the right thing to do was. I couldn't tell if the idea came from my desire to help (based on a feeling, not facts) or God prompting me to help them because He knew they needed help, or God prompting me to study my decision making skills thus laying a 'trial' before me (He's been revealing how I tend to be led by my emotions more often than not), or the devil simply confusing me into inaction so God's will isn't done. I'm tired of thinking I'm doing the right thing only to have things turn out bad. There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death. What would ya'll have done? How do you discern God's voice and will from your own? (P.S. I'm awfully sorry if this post is too confusing to comprehend. Welcome to my brain!)

I think I am well on my way to beating your record for being a slow learner. Thanks for this, and for 2 Chronicles 14:11. A word in due season, how great it is!

Hi, I don't have a "definition" of sin, only that which God gave me when I asked Him what it was and why He hated it. He promptly began pointing out all of my sins and giving me to understand how it hurt and misled others, as well as myself. What sin is and why He hates it is one in the same: it hurts us. After pointing out what my sins were, I felt grief, sorrow, and shame. I wanted to stop doing those things. I wanted to stop hurting others which hurt God, and I thought I could. Since that day, I've come to understand that I cannot repent without Jesus' help. I can want to repent, certainly, and I can commit to turning away from my sins, but I need His strength and wisdom to stay on His path and away from the desires of my own heart that lure me into sinning. God's goodness towards us leads us to repentance: (Rom 2:4) Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? I believe that His continued goodness towards us, even after our salvation, continues to "heap burning coals upon our heads", and we continue to practice repentance and succeed because Jesus is always with us. Wow. Did any of that make sense? Hope so!

My concern was more to do with teaching others something outside of God's intention. He's very clear about adding to or taking from His word; and I'm not to keen on sending others down the wrong path. The interpretation Jesus gave me originally gave me peace and hope. When I heard a different understanding of that verse, I challenged it so God told me to look it up for myself. I did (through my study bible) and found that both the preacher and the study bible agreed. My concern only grew. How could both a preacher AND a study bible agree and yet both be so very wrong in their interpretation? The implication of what 'truth' is being spread to the world (already blind to the truth) is frighteneing. I didn't want to be a part of spreading false doctrine, but how does one know real 'truth' if that 'truth' changes based on your perspective? Some trees look very tall indeed when you stand next to them, but from a distance, they look very small. I'm not a total baby in Christ but I'm not nearly in elder either. The meaning of His words that I learned as a baby have since grown deeper in meaning, but that doesn't mean what I learned as a baby was 'false' or 'wrong'. Perhaps the idea of these 'birds' in the verse being 'demons' is true in the sense of it being deeper knowledge that I will come to understand when I am older. But it could also be totally false doctrine. My question was "how does one know the difference?" I came here to Worthy for help. I know there are bible scholars here and I felt certain God would work through them and others to bring me back to that place of peace with the added bonus of having gained in wisdom. That He did and He gave me some online resources to boot thanks to His Worthy Servants here on Worthy. He also taught me how 'simple' I am (easily swayed), a condition I need to work to correct through Him. I still don't have the answer, but I have been brought back to peace, and I've been given more work to do. Thanks to everyone for all of your love and help! God bless you!

Hi Nebula, Don't expect much from this response. I just wanted to say that I can relate to wanting so much more than what I feel like God is giving me. Sometimes He takes me far above everything and I can see the big picture. Everything up there makes sense. I can see how all the pieces fit together kind of like how you can see the whole city from atop a tall skyscraper. The world makes sense from Heaven's perspective. But then God will return me to 'street level' and I end up lost in the overcrowded bog of humanity again. All I learned from riding upon His wings gets lost in the day to day details of my life. I don't want to be here at street level anymore. I want to be up there where God is looking at the whole of the earth and humanity. Up there I feel wise, strong, powerful, and useful. Down here I feel lost and confused, small, weak, and useless. When I start to tell people what God showed me up there, they don't get it so they tear it to shreds and I end up crying to God-He showed me wonderful things but I can't make others see it so what was the point. I don't know how to balance or even use what God shows me up there. I know there is a purpose for bringing me up to see the big picture, but I don't know how to use that knowledge down here on street level. I've asked God a lot to tell me, like He told Paul, what my end will be. Because Paul knew that He was to stand before the emperor in Rome, Paul could do anything and everything in faith. He knew that until he stood before the emperor, nothing would kill him. A deadly snake bit him but he shook it off and took no thought to dying because he had not been to the emperor yet. He was stoned and left for dead, but he continued in his work because he knew Jesus said he would stand before the emperor. What God says will happen, will. Paul knew he would be protected until God's will was accomplished. I want the same confidence that Paul had. I always imagined that Paul received his confidence, his faith, his motivation from knowing God's specific will for him, but that's only what I think. Paul still had to live on the "street level" of this life, and that takes more faith than believeing in a long term goal of God's. If God told me I was going be His prophet (just a one time thing) appointed for a certain time, I could easily have faith in that. When I do something good for someone and they slap me in the face for it, or I don't see the good results I was hoping for...that's when I get hurt and confused and forget God's love and faithfulness to fulfill His will. Paul was stoned, tossed out of a city, and left for dead. He recovered from that well enough. I think a lot of people can recover from the trouble the world brings us. But God told him to go to yet another city and proclaim the gospel again knowing full well he could be stoned and left for dead again. That's where I am with God now. I've been through tribulation, God delivered me, and now He's asking that I endure something seven times hotter than the last. How did Paul get up and go to the next city? How did he get on yet another boat? I want to know what he knew. I want whatever it was that he had that motivated him to keep going in the face of certain suffering. And to take it one step further, I want what Jesus had that led Him to endure the cross for me. I'm sure none of this makes any sense at all in reference to your questions, but I've been through the 'wrestling with an angel' with God and I'll wrestle some more in my lifetime. So far, I've been given to understand that when I seek anything for myself, I am thwarted in my purposes-even when I seek the meaning of, the value of my life. The only questions God answers for me are the ones that seek His will for someone else. I think in light of serving others, we begin to see our value to Him, so the only way to discern the answer is to serve God's will for others. I hope that makes sense. It's where I'm at, at the moment. Maybe I'll have a deeper answer twenty years from now. Or maybe it'll be the same one. When you learn more, let me know. I like walking with someone through this life. I'm usually at odds with people, and for asking questions like the ones your asking.

from matt 13 the word is peteinon It means 1. flying, winged 2. flying or winged animals, birds a.the birds of the heaven, i.e. flying in the heaven I would like to add: Ezek 17:23; Ps 104:12; Ezek 31:6; Dan 4:12 You mentioned in your first thread that you have been taught one way, then by hearing just one other teaching, you are confused. May I suggest that you take time to become a solid bible student so you are not so easily swayed too and fro by strange doctrines and teachings. God Bless, Alan Thank you for the add ins. And yep. I am too easily swayed. The last two days God kept lighting up the word "Simple" in reference to wisdom, meaning easily influenced. I know He used this incident as an attention getter. I've always read His word and let the Holy Spirit interpret it (nothing wrong with that) but I think I've become too...comfortable? with that. He is taking me in a new direction and I believe He wants me to become more diligent in my studies than I have been. Wherever He is taking me, its important. He's raising me up, but He's also warning me. If I study His word with more than my usual care, I'll notice the false stuff when it comes. Satan's favorite torment for me is confusion. My feet are completely cemented in Jesus' rock solid foundation, but wow! The rest of me sure can get battered around!

Thank you so much! I'll check it out. I've never heard of this before. I was going to head to my library later today. I probably still will, but I'll check here first. Thanks again!

Have Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. Psalms 139:23-24 A Little The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Psalms 23:1-3 Faith Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:11 In Him Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips. Psalms 141:3 He For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. Isaiah 28:11 Knows Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:26-28 And Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. Isaiah 6:5-8 Love, Your Brother Joe Thank you...you really do remind me of the sweetest and most gentle parts of Jesus...the parts of Him that I fell in love with...

Hi Stormy...it seems like there are a nuumber of issues at stake with you here. You worry you have taught others wrongly. You worry others still teach others wrongly. You worry why the Holy Spirit didn't step in and say 'Whoa boy, big mistake!'. You've been a Believer for some years, and presumably you've developed your 'spiritual muscles' and enlarged your fellowship with the L-rd...then you must realise that sometimes we get things wrong (I'm not even going to worry about the translation of the passage you mention...just the obvious confusion/heartache it has caused to surface)...and yes with every best intention, even when we believe we are guided by the Holy Spirit...we can still get things wrong...because although He is perfect, we are not, and with the best will in the world, we sometimes attribute things to G-d at work in us, when in actual fact they are a red herring, or just unwitting presumption on our part. It can be frustrating, and humbling....and from your point of view, I see it gives you a degree of unease and uncertainty on other things in your Christian walk. We are instructed to test all things, and to hold fast to what is true....people being people, and most of us being like the rest of us, we have a tendency at times to hold-fast to some things that we think are true...but they ain't, or they aren't entirely true...but we tend to build them up, and our pride gets hurt when they become an issue. As you can see from some of the friendly responses, many people can identify with your consternation, and sometimes we need to just give ourselves time to re-focus and re-adjust...the Bible says:- Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. Sometimes we don't get immediate answers or revelation on things that we take to the L-rd...but we need to trust Him and exercise a degree of patience, while we actively seek answers. We are also placed in a body, and can chew things over with our brethren...which is precisely what you are doing. Try exchanging worry with trust...we aren't always right..He always is. Peace. Botz Hi Botz, Yep. I've walked with Jesus long enough and my faith is strong enough to handle blows of this sort (although I do tend to get a 'tad' dramatic ). I know when things like this happen, it's time to shush, take some time off, and just listen for God (I can talk up a storm! ). I've been waiting for Him to tell me why, if I got the meaning wrong, He'd let me run around with it, and during my bible study with Him for the last couple of days, and last night especially, one word kept coming up (flashing neon!): "simple." This morning, when I returned to my posts, I've found two people who know the original word Jesus used and it's meaning, and it turns out that the Holy Spirit did not mislead me or let me run around talking nonsense. God used this moment to 'trip my intellect' or wake me up to something far more important. I am simple, which means, I am easily influenced, and God is calling me to task about it. God is sending me in a new direction now, and I just can't remain as I've been. It's time for me to learn some new things and go deeper with him. Before I can do that, He has to show me what I need to let go of as well as what parts of my 'worldly mind' I still need to renew. Whatever is coming requires that I stop being 'simple.' Trust is a pretty touchy issue with me. People (me included) are inconsistent so it seems inevitable that my trust will be shattered at some point (intentionally or not). Why then trust people at all? Jesus did not trust mankind because He knew what was in our hearts. My heart even deceives me. I know I can place all of my confidence in God; its how I interact with people that is my concern. Everyone can be used by God and they don't need me reminding them how imperfect we all are. I don't really know how to give just a little trust-it's all or nothing with me, it seems. Thanks. Your resposne has given me some things to think about and "chew over". I am really glad you and all the rest of Worthy are here.

Thank you. This does help a lot. It actually confirms (although much better said) what Jesus was teaching me when I first read this verse. And you are the second person to give me the original word used in the verse. Thank you so much! For me and everyone else who is reading this post!

from matt 13 the word is peteinon It means 1. flying, winged 2. flying or winged animals, birds a.the birds of the heaven, i.e. flying in the heaven Would you mind if I quoted you back in my original post-General Discussion-Perception...What's True? ? I would like the others to see the original word too.