Wayfarer122

With the exception of Afgans and Pakistani's, large portions of these groups are anti-military. John McCain is an honorable Ex-military man who will strengthen and manage our military properly (as opposed to the disaster the Bush admin. has made of our military.) I'm certain that he believes in the Peace through Strength approach as well. Obama is a lawyer from Chicago who never served a day in his life. It makes perfect sense to me.

Glory, some people simply have no clue that they're dressing that way is wrong. God needs to lay it on their hearts. Others I have worked with, on occasion, have found that this helps them manipulate men, such as the woman that the early Proverb chapters warn about. Do you really know this woman to be the first or second type? If you haven't taken the time to get to know her and be God's witness in her life, then you really need to ask yourself why you haven't.

As a layperson I always took it to mean that we are responsible for the earth, animals, and plants that God as given us. In short, we are to be good stewards.

I noticed that some people become comfortable with a style that "worked" for them at a certain point in their lives. For example, there is a nice fellow who is in his' 40's that is seen around town in short (1970's length) mens shorts. I can't figure out where he gets them. Anyways, he's a good example of how people don't change their style of dress as they get older, sometimes. I also agree that the pastor should have another woman present or would politely suggest that she might be more comfortable talking to a Sister.

We have a saying in marketing..."Never, never name the competition." Apparently the professor hasn't heard of it.

God is truly good. Thanks for the reminder

Action is not about God being capable or not. We have an illustration of that in Esther (chapter 4) where Mordecai tells Esther, "Do not think that because you are in the king's house you alone of all the Jews will escape. For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance for the Jews will arise from another place, but you and your father's family will perish." This convinced Esther to risk her life to place her vote with the king and there is a profound life-lesson here as well. You're right about God being in control, but it doesn't relieve us from our duty to vote responsibly.

I think I agree with everything stated. We need to look at the issue and see if it is going to be the destruction of our nation if these things are or are not changed. I think I tend to believe more in the power of GOD than the power of government to change the direction of our nation. Without a change in the hearts and minds of the nation, we are just a white washed tomd full of dead mans bones. What good is that? sorry kross, but how can you agree with everything stated when you dont vote? (notice the statements of wayfarer i have bolded) i understand what you're saying about the spirit conditions of the people who commit these sins. i totally agree that it should be a concern of ours. but let me throw this at you: people (saved or unsaved) who kill their children will have to answer to God for that sin (in one way or another). yes? so wouldnt we be doing them an injustice to not speak out and tell them that what they're doing is wrong and try to prevent them (by law) from doing it? let me give you a silly example. if a child is told not to climb a telephone pole, would you go ahead and let him climb it if he chose, knowing that he could fall and be hurt or killed, simply because it was a heart condition (rebellion) that made him do it in the first place? would you not try to stop him? i would think you would. yes, its a heart condition. but that doesnt mean we do nothing to prevent the sin from taking place. its not an either/or thing. trying to get roe v wade turned is a help to the people who do it, as well as it is the person being killed. as far as not being able to change the law: that would go against everything the founding fathers were striving for, would it not? and throughout the Bible God has ALWAYS been a defender of the helpless. who is more helpless than the child in the womb? so is trying to get abortion stopped following the Spirit of God? i think so. most things you say, i agree with, kross. but when you say you are more concerned with the mother who aborts her baby than the baby himself, i gotta "kross" you! that would be putting one above another, wouldn't it? and i believe james has something to say about that. saving a life would be doing good, would it not? so theres the "to him that knows to do good and does it not...." verse. i get the soul v life thing, but i still think you're throwing one away above another. your taking into your hands what only belongs in God's. yes, the better answer is prevention. but until then, i think we would be sorely missing the mark if we allow sin to go on unchecked! No one knows the abortion rate prior to it being legalized. A greter percentage of women died as a result of their aborting thier babies in those days. Many abortions were done in back alley "Butcher shops". How many illegl abortions and deaths would take place right now if it were made illegal? Like it or not, it has been made into a right in this country. When you start taking away what people see as a right, they choose to continue in the action anyway. When it becomes illegal to serve JESUS, will you stop or will you continue? Your attitude about that will be no different than the attitude of someone else who feels they have had a right taken away. Just for the record, the Bible says to mourn when a child is born and rejoice when a person leaves this world and goes to JESUS. If that child skipped the evils of this world and went streight to GOD, that is not a bad thing in my eyes. Please do not give me grief about "then we should kill them all". You get the point. That is why the condition of the mother, and the condition of our nation, matters more to me. As far as your last sentence, GOD is the only one who decides how far out of control sin gets. HIS promise is that if HIS people would do what they are supposed to, HE would fix the rest. HE has always used the ungodly to chastise HIS people. So, maybe the idea of thinking that our government can control that which GOD has decided not to is the real sin issue here. Truth is, GOD is the real power and HE has made promises to HIS people. I can not seem to stress enough that our getting caught up in using the weapons of this world to fight a spiritual war is only going to make things worse. We have the power and the weapons to defeat sin in the world if we defeat it in the churches first. And let me make this one point, call it prophetic insight or just a lot of study in the nature of GOD; If GOD has not chosen to fix an issue (within the time frame that you think it should be) and you go to some other means to try to fix it, it just might be that you think that other source has more power than GOD. That realy ticks HIM off. That is why the effort to use politics and laws and the other weapons of this world do not work. The more we try to do these things in our own power, the more GOD is backing off and letting us give it a go. Only an unhindered faith in GOD and tust that HE has it under control will win the day. "Let go and let GOD" as they say. Preach, teach, exhort, and shout the truth from the rooftops and you will get results for greater than you will ever get by any other means. Just because our churches teach us that praying alone is not enough, does not make it so. I promise you that if GOD's people would put these issues in GOD's hands and put an absolute trust in HIM, HE would live up to that trust. WOW, I almost got on my soap box there. I try not to put that much meat in a post for fear of choking the babes. Your justification for Roe V. Wade is flawed. First, it's much easier for people in a woman's life who do not have her best interest at heart to coerce her into having an abortion if abortions are legal. It happens all the time. I can tell you that there's very little choice in "choice." Second, arguing against enacting a law because there are some people who will be inclined to break the law isn't much of an arguement. It's the same logic that was used in an attempt to legalize recreational drugs and it just doesn't make sense. Can you provide a reference for the statement I have bolded? Thanks. Lori First of all, I am not justifying Roe V Wade. It is a bad law and it was a mistake. What I am saying is that it reflects our society. It is acceptable to those who live in this country to murder their babies. So, changing it now will not happen and will not be the end all of the issue. As far as legalizing drugs, there are SSSOOOOOOO many inocent people shot in the streets, killed by stray bullets, so many police officers who are killed, so many people every day who die because of the drug trade that it is tragic. We should have learned from prohibition that laws to control people's behavior do not work. The verse is not one that I keep in my brain. I tried to find it but I can not think of a good key word to search with. I was under the impression from the previous post that you were for Roe V Wade. My impression now is that you will stand by and do nothing for reasons other than agreeing with Roe V. Wade. I have never heard of the verse or the concept in the bible. If you can locate the origin of your statement, you might be able to support it. As it stands now, it's in the Say-a-miah category.

I think I agree with everything stated. We need to look at the issue and see if it is going to be the destruction of our nation if these things are or are not changed. I think I tend to believe more in the power of GOD than the power of government to change the direction of our nation. Without a change in the hearts and minds of the nation, we are just a white washed tomd full of dead mans bones. What good is that? sorry kross, but how can you agree with everything stated when you dont vote? (notice the statements of wayfarer i have bolded) i understand what you're saying about the spirit conditions of the people who commit these sins. i totally agree that it should be a concern of ours. but let me throw this at you: people (saved or unsaved) who kill their children will have to answer to God for that sin (in one way or another). yes? so wouldnt we be doing them an injustice to not speak out and tell them that what they're doing is wrong and try to prevent them (by law) from doing it? let me give you a silly example. if a child is told not to climb a telephone pole, would you go ahead and let him climb it if he chose, knowing that he could fall and be hurt or killed, simply because it was a heart condition (rebellion) that made him do it in the first place? would you not try to stop him? i would think you would. yes, its a heart condition. but that doesnt mean we do nothing to prevent the sin from taking place. its not an either/or thing. trying to get roe v wade turned is a help to the people who do it, as well as it is the person being killed. as far as not being able to change the law: that would go against everything the founding fathers were striving for, would it not? and throughout the Bible God has ALWAYS been a defender of the helpless. who is more helpless than the child in the womb? so is trying to get abortion stopped following the Spirit of God? i think so. most things you say, i agree with, kross. but when you say you are more concerned with the mother who aborts her baby than the baby himself, i gotta "kross" you! that would be putting one above another, wouldn't it? and i believe james has something to say about that. saving a life would be doing good, would it not? so theres the "to him that knows to do good and does it not...." verse. i get the soul v life thing, but i still think you're throwing one away above another. your taking into your hands what only belongs in God's. yes, the better answer is prevention. but until then, i think we would be sorely missing the mark if we allow sin to go on unchecked! No one knows the abortion rate prior to it being legalized. A greter percentage of women died as a result of their aborting thier babies in those days. Many abortions were done in back alley "Butcher shops". How many illegl abortions and deaths would take place right now if it were made illegal? Like it or not, it has been made into a right in this country. When you start taking away what people see as a right, they choose to continue in the action anyway. When it becomes illegal to serve JESUS, will you stop or will you continue? Your attitude about that will be no different than the attitude of someone else who feels they have had a right taken away. Just for the record, the Bible says to mourn when a child is born and rejoice when a person leaves this world and goes to JESUS. If that child skipped the evils of this world and went streight to GOD, that is not a bad thing in my eyes. Please do not give me grief about "then we should kill them all". You get the point. That is why the condition of the mother, and the condition of our nation, matters more to me. As far as your last sentence, GOD is the only one who decides how far out of control sin gets. HIS promise is that if HIS people would do what they are supposed to, HE would fix the rest. HE has always used the ungodly to chastise HIS people. So, maybe the idea of thinking that our government can control that which GOD has decided not to is the real sin issue here. Truth is, GOD is the real power and HE has made promises to HIS people. I can not seem to stress enough that our getting caught up in using the weapons of this world to fight a spiritual war is only going to make things worse. We have the power and the weapons to defeat sin in the world if we defeat it in the churches first. And let me make this one point, call it prophetic insight or just a lot of study in the nature of GOD; If GOD has not chosen to fix an issue (within the time frame that you think it should be) and you go to some other means to try to fix it, it just might be that you think that other source has more power than GOD. That realy ticks HIM off. That is why the effort to use politics and laws and the other weapons of this world do not work. The more we try to do these things in our own power, the more GOD is backing off and letting us give it a go. Only an unhindered faith in GOD and tust that HE has it under control will win the day. "Let go and let GOD" as they say. Preach, teach, exhort, and shout the truth from the rooftops and you will get results for greater than you will ever get by any other means. Just because our churches teach us that praying alone is not enough, does not make it so. I promise you that if GOD's people would put these issues in GOD's hands and put an absolute trust in HIM, HE would live up to that trust. WOW, I almost got on my soap box there. I try not to put that much meat in a post for fear of choking the babes. Your justification for Roe V. Wade is flawed. First, it's much easier for people in a woman's life who do not have her best interest at heart to coerce her into having an abortion if abortions are legal. It happens all the time. I can tell you that there's very little choice in "choice." Second, arguing against enacting a law because there are some people who will be inclined to break the law isn't much of an arguement. It's the same logic that was used in an attempt to legalize recreational drugs and it just doesn't make sense. Can you provide a reference for the statement I have bolded? Thanks. Lori

You might want to shop the forclosures if you're interested in owning property. There are plenty of sheriffs auctions here, and I think they're probably all over the country.

No kidding about the daytrading. My Sis was successful at it and saw this on the horizon. She pulled out in the spring.

I agree with the other posters. Lead by example is essential. Prayer is equally important. There is something else to consider: I would seriously question your who's who in this relationship. Are you planning on marrying this girl? If so, you need to find an experienced, married Christian couple that can help you both evaluate the direction you're heading in.

This is my experience, too. I've found that a baking soda scrub with a vinegar spritz (and warm-water rinse) is a great substitute for many cleaning solutions. The yard sprays are really hard on me, so I try to stick with organic solutions like pulling up weeds instead of spraying.

The political action side of this question is something I didn't respond to initially because I wasn't sure if that was included in your question, but I'm guessing from the responses that it is. As citizens we have a duty to protect the personal safety of the people in our country with our votes. Abortion kills people who live here, so we need to enact legislation that protects these people, even if they're small and they don't look like "us." We also have a duty to discern what's best for our nation as a whole and reflect that in our votes. The right of someone to hold a job in the public and for-profit sector based on whether or not they practice sinful behavior is essential. (This means sinful behavior that doesn't endanger others, etc.) Homosexuals are denied this right in certain states. This issue is widely overlooked and it shouldn't be. Homosexual marriage is another issue altogether. We need to look at this behavior and ask ourselves, "Is this something we want to promote? Is it good for our society?" In the past, we did that with marriage and traditional families. Laws were passed to offer tax-breaks to married couples to promote the stability and strength that our country benefits from as a result of traditional families. So we need to ask ourselves, "Is homosexual marriage good for our society?" Additionally, we need to look at the other ramifications of a proposed homosexual marriage law. Will businesses be required to offer benefits to homosexual partners? What about contract marriages and temporary living-together arrangements for others? Businesses extend benefits to spouses and children, not out of the goodness of their hearts, but because stable, traditional marriages contribute to the stability and performance of employees. Are there mandates in line behind homosexual marriages that will dictate who employers must provide benefits to? I think there are. This is a real can of worms. As Christians, we have a unique world-view that should be central to our votes. We see God as someone who allows us our free-will and that is reflected in our view of governmental authority, but we also have a responsibility to look beyond our hands-off approach to personal choices and cast our vote in the best interest of our country.

I see this, too. Killing our children and homosexuality are both sins, but there are people who are caught up in the lies of the world. The world calls preborn children "fetus'" and tells us that they "don't know when life begins." Christians who don't have the discernment to see throgh the ruse are led astray. Also, young Christians who aren't bible-literate are easily fooled by people who tell us that the translation in Romans where Paul spells out the sin of homosexuality in big, bold letters, so-to-speak, is imperfect. They choose to ignore the fact that the rest of the bible supports what is clearly portrayed in Romans. I've heard the "Well, the translation..." line as an excuse for every sin imaginable. I'm currently praying for a dear sister who has been duped by this and is living the homosexual lifestyle. God will touch her heart and give her the strength to turn away from this sin.

This is a timely post. I have LOTS of faults. I've been thinking a lot about them and starting to ask God to help me overcome them. Here's a few. Since I'm sure that you're not asking for a book I'll just hit the high spots. I don't do things right away. I know how to triage and prioritize, but I have trouble with the execution. I NEED to get up early in the morning and exercise and I just don't have the gumption to do it. I lay in bed thinking that I really NEED more sleep than that. Sigh!

God is my friend, my savior, Jesus, my only father, giver of every good thing, patient (and I mean PATIENT) teacher, amazing artist, engineer, example of perfection, righteousness and goodness. He is my present, future, and all that my hope is in.

Yes, over tones of pre-war German attitudes here. Remember the Crystalnacht when the desire to purge Germany of alien religious influences left 1,300 jews dead and1,500 synagigues in ruins. Yep. As I recall, Hitler made a point of holding must-attend events on Sundays and church holidays. The religion of the state is the only one that is wanted in that political atmosphere.

Althought I don't agree with the ruling, I wonder how many Christians are involved in their communities enough to run for the school board. We really do need to be involved in the communities in which we live and work.

Okay, so not everyone is as crazy as I am over historical artifacts. Does anyone know what became of this? Is there further info. available?