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We now live in and witness the alignment of everything the Bible predicts for the terminal generation, the generation that will see the coming tribulation. For years, I have wondered how governments would explain away tens of millions of people who suddenly vanished, which would be believable and accepted. Initially, I speculated something like a massive CME or solar flare would crash our high technological system, shutting down all communication systems (back to the stone age). The global population would be unaware of the massive disappearances. The Book of Revelation implies highly advanced technology, so technology is not wiped away. The Two Witnesses will be viewed globally in real-time; an army of people could not control commerce and all buying and selling; it would take artificial intelligence (AI), and an advanced technical network. Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Men and advanced technology are manufacturing this image. Fast forward to the last couple of decades: It is now in the open and escalating like a wildfire. Antisemitism has reared its ugly head in earnest once again, with protests of Israel, supporting the murderous atrocities of HAMAS because Israel deserves what it got. Israel is struggling for their very survival; Islam wants nothing less than to drive her into the sea and remember her no more. Christians are officially called a basket of deplorables, and are the problem for peace and global unity. During the COVID-19 fiasco as a test run, churches were mandated to shut down in the US, Canada, and elsewhere because they were "non-essential." Liquor stores and porn shops were allowed to remain open as essential services in America. You know the story. In the Bible, we see everything (the convergence) in place and form: the world's conditions, and the nations' alliances. We see the changes and alignment of the four principal belligerents of the Gog-Magog invasion, the destruction of Damascus, Syria overnight, Elam's destruction, Matthew 24, Psalm 83, Second Timothy chapter three, and everything else prophetic for our day. There should be no doubt the worst time in human history, or ever will be, is at the door. Watch your local, political, national, global, sports, and celebrity news with 2 Tim. 3: open. Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. The Rapture: 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Firstly, how do we comfort one another going into the worst time ever in human history? Historical and biblical precedence: Elijah was witnessed ascending to heaven, Jesus was seen ascending to be at the Father's right hand, and many of the dead were seen in Jerusalem after Jesus's resurrection. I think it is plausible those left behind will witness the Rapture and Resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. The above says, in the twinkling of an eye (the time it takes for light to pass through an eye), the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be glorified. It is not said or implied anywhere that immediately we will ascend to the clouds to be with the Lord forever. I believe the world is going to know something supernatural, out of mortal man's control, occurred. What has significantly changed in our generation: Darwin's theory of evolution is still with us, stronger than ever, and it is not going away anytime soon, but geneticists have a problem. Some now admit DNA is so complex that it could not have evolved independently. Not to abandon their religion of atheism, they came up with another mind-blowing ridiculous hypothesis: panspermia. In a nutshell, ancient, highly advanced, intelligent extra-terrestrial beings seeded the universe in hopes life would take hold and evolve. I once was, but I am now not, a UFO (now UAP) conspiracy theorist. For decades, governments have been lying, hiding, and covering up the existence of the UFO phenomenon. With the advent of smartphones, pictures, videos, and thousands of creditable eyewitness testimonies, it is no longer deniable. After decades of lying, silence, and coverups, why do governments admit this phenomenon poses a hazard to national security and aviation? By who and why has military ship and fighter jet footage been released to the media? Now, there is a storm of speculation and interest. There are now a ton of Congressional investigations and changes to military policy and reporting procedures, with ongoing reporting and investigations. Why suddenly here and now? The following is the first official investigative report as an example of many for brevity: Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf (dni.gov) This report reeks of evolution theory by the categories of the official investigation being investigated. What two categories are blatantly omitted? Spiritual and dimensional. For emphasis, in Matt. 24, Jesus says four times not be deceived. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Jesus makes a powerful statement if it were possible. Notice that Jesus uses the plural form (more than two) false Christs and false prophets, not The Antichrist and False Prophet (singular). When in the last two millennia has any of this happened? Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: For decades, the world has been conditioned for the acceptance of demi-gods through thousands of comic books, TV shows, ancient alien programs, SETI, documentaries, movies, Orson Wells, and so on. Now, it is in the news and official reporting. Is anyone starting to smell something rotten in Denmark? 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: Could this be one of, or THE lie? The vast majority of the secular world believes these UAPs to be extraterrestrials. I think they are spiritual and dimensional, likely demonic. Why are they toying around playing hide and seek, letting us have only glimpses of their presence so far? The start of this reporting is now what is known as soft disclosure, with more disclosure of what governments know, being released like a medicated time capsule, and with a purpose. I have been, and am, totally convinced these so-called UAPs have a significant end-time role to play: we go up, they come down. All indications are these craft beings are not benevolent but malevolent. What better explanation is there for the sudden disappearance of tens of millions? Christians are removed temporarily for re-education and programming. They were the cause of global division in religion, peace, international harmony, population control, climate change, equality of gender identity, transhumanism, and sodomy rights.

This short article from the website 'Rapture Ready' outlines just how close our redemption is, if you're a pre-tribulation believer. It nicely dovetails my own view and opinion of the 'season' of the catching up of believers. Rather than copy and paste, the link is below for those interested. http://www.raptureready.com/2018/03/03/rapture-close-thoughts-matthew-l-rice/

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Can someone please help me? Can you tell me if all these verses refer to the same event? Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: Isa 2:13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan, Isa 2:14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up, Isa 2:15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall, Isa 2:16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures. Isa 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day. Isa 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish. Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Are each of these passages speaking of the same event? It appears that they are. Please provide proof if they are not all referring to the same event. Thanks

The debate continues, and I suppose it will until/if the church finds itself recognizing that the antichrist/man of sin/beast/son of perdition/abomination that cuases desolation/etc. has been revealed and recognized. So, here is what I am asking, this is the question that this thread is about: Where in the bible is it stated, or which combination of verses do you believe imply (evidentially, not wishfully) that there is either: a secret coming of Jesus for the church before the great tribulation an invisible coming of Jesus for the church a two part second advent a scriptural distinction of Jesus coming for His church, versus His coming with His church From my perspective, in case it is not obvious, the only thing invisible about Jesus coming, is that it is that the pre-trib rapture is invisible in the sense that it is no where to be found in scripture. Some of you disagree, what I am asking then, is for the biblical basis, the scriptural evidence, for one or more of the bulleted points (•) above. Some of you are so sure that Jesus will return before the great tribulation, that certainly you must have biblical evident of the truth or likelyhood, of the pre-trib return of Christ. To those who want to reply in this thread: Please stick to the premise of it, scriptural evidence for a coming of Jesus to catch up His church to be with Him prior to the great tribulation. I know that I am asking a lot of people to stay on topic. I understand that people are passionate about their eschatological beliefs. However, please exercise some self control and not start in with a statement of or defense of your own, other than pre-trib persuasion. Let's let this thread be limited to actual scriptural evidence of a pre-trib rapture. Opposing viewpoints are o.k., but limit those to just enough to present an answer to any posts claiming to present scriptural evidence of a pre-trib rapture, without making it about what you believe instead. To those taking up the challenge presented here, please note that I have gone to great lengths to be specific in limiting the type of posts appropriate to this thread. For example: Stating that "the rapture is Jesus coming for His church before the trib" is a definition of your belief, and is not scriptural evidence, such a statement is just an opinion, and is evidence that you believe, not for your belief. Stating things like "the church is not mentioned after verse such and such in Revelation", is also not evidence, it is merely an argument from silence. Stating that "the church is not destined to suffer God's wrath" is also not evidence, unless you can prove that the whole to the great tribulation is in fact the wrath of God, and that if the church is present for that, that she cannot and will not be protected from God's wrath during the great tribulation Hopefully, examples like those above, will convey the idea of what I am seeking, and that you can understand the nature of evidence as opposed to statements of faith in your doctrine. The idea here, is to present some quality reasons to believe in the pre-trib rapture. So here you have an opportunity. Please, give it a shot if you think that you have scriptural evidence. Thanks in advance

In the topic of eschatology, few things are debated with more passion than the timing of the rapture with respect to the great tribulation. In online forums there are many opinions expressed. Some of them in my opinion are so far out there that few people if any take them very seriously. Some people read these topics and will express their opinion that the topics are not important. Somehow though, they seem to think it important to express their opinion that it isn't important. I have not quite figured that one out yet. One of the opinions often expressed is the tongue-in-cheek position:" I am pan tribulation". At the risk of possibly offending those people who say they are pan tribulation, I say this: "The pan-trib position is supposed to be cute or humorous, and I suppose it is the first time one hears it. By now though I am sure that I have heard it over 100 times, and to me it has become a worn-out old joke. I have been hearing it since the 1970s, so pardon me if I don't laugh too hard. Still there are those who are reading this post who have no doubt not heard of the pan-trib position even now. For their sakes I will explain the pan-trib position. "I do not care if the rapture is before, during, or after the tribulation, as long as it all pans out". I have very little respect for the pan-trib position. I suspect that people who hold that position fall into one of several categories: Perhaps they are too lazy to study the Bible. Perhaps they feel they are underqualified to have a real opinion. Perhaps they detest debate. Perhaps they are afraid to express their opinion. Sometimes they will make the point that eschatology is not a salvational issue and therefore is not worth having a strong opinion about. It often seems to escape their notice though, that almost all of the Bible is not about salvational issues, so I would have to guess that most of the Bible is also not important to them. Considering how much space (in the New Testament especially) is devoted to eschatology by the apostles and even by Jesus Himself I find it extremely difficult and even disrespectful to imply that the things that Jesus said and that the apostles (who were inspired by God to write) expressed, are of little importance. Coming up with flippant, worn-out remarks does not in my mind, justify what seems to be an aire of superiority in being wishy-washy about Scripture. I know I am on my high horse. I know I am often on my high horse. I know that I am on my high horse frequently lately. You can reply to this post and inform me of that if you wish, but don't think you're telling me anything that I do not already know and freely admit. As I have already stated there are many opinions and many positions in the field of eschatology. The different positions contradict each other of course and most of them (if not all of them) contradict Scripture at at least one point. No more than one position can be 100% accurate and perhaps none of them are. In spite of the fact that I have used a lot of words so far in this post, I really only want to invite comments on the following proposition: There are many reasons that people may use to explain why they believe what they believe about eschatology. With respect to the issue of whether or not the rapture is before, during, or after the great tribulation, I believe the following reasons should be discounted. The character of God argument. Some people believe that the church will not go through the great tribulation because it is not within the character of God to allow his church to suffer. This reasoning is invalid because God's people have always been allowed to suffer historically. This is true whether we are talking about the Jews or the Christians, prophets or apostles, martyrs since the time of Christ and even today, and of course Jesus himself who said a servant is not above his master. If God has allowed his people to suffer for thousands of years, how can we think that it is not in God's character to allow such suffering? Wishful thinking. It is so easy for us in the West to find the idea of suffering distasteful. Many of us have never missed a meal even one time in our entire life nor slept without a roof over our head unless it was by choice. We live in a time and in cultures where most people have access to transportation which requires no physical work, access to nearly continual entertainment and access to vast amounts of knowledge that we never had to study to obtain. I read just today that Google claims that the average Android user checks his or her Android 150 times each day. In these days of comfort and convenience, fast food and instant gratification, it is no wonder that some of us cannot conceive of going through a time of suffering and persecution lasting from 3-1/2 to 7 years. However, just because we have had it so easy does not mean there won't be a time when we will have it so hard. I have gone on long enough. I intended to list a lot of reasons which are not valid reasons for believing some of the things that we do believe. It seems to me that in the area of eschatology the only reason to believe anything is because the Bible tells us so. I am sure that many of us believe we believe what the Bible says about these things. It is my observation however that many of us if not most of us believe what we believe by taking preconceived ideas to the Scripture and then interpreting the Scripture in a way that agrees with what we already believe about it, rather than taking Scripture at its word and adjusting our thinking to align with what the Bible itself says. Do we really want to be a people who gather to themselves teachers who will tell us what our itching ears want to hear? Or do we think that the better idea is to be like the Bereans, and search the Scriptures daily to see whether these things be so?