nebula Posted February 13, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 13, 2009 If black people ran the Federal Reserve and many of the financial institutions that make up the Fed were run by powerful and influential black businessmen...and blacks were being exposed for swindling investors out of billions of dollars...If the chairmanship of the Fed was passed from black man to black man...and Obama's entire list of potential Treasury secretary nominee's were black...the entire White House unilaterally supported the efforts of these black economic leaders...black members of congress fought to keep legislation from being passed that would harm the businesses of the wealthy elite black businessmen who ran the Fed...etc, etc, etc Yes...I wholehearted believe that people would be blaming the blacks in the financial industry for the economic meltdown. I think you could find at least 31% of people polled would at least consider that idea. And would you agree with this? Justify it? Accept it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebekahDavid Posted February 13, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3,166 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2009 blessings axx, Nebula said it very well and very clearly. maybe you were not aware because the roots of this are sometimes not hiding in hate but rather in wrong thinking. i am praying these posts will make you stop and think and pray about this. love your sister in Christ, Rebekah David Hello Sister, I think you spoke the truth when you said the "roots are not hiding in hate, but rather in wrong thinking." I don't think the results of this poll were hate (i.e. anti-semitism)...but rather people who are looking for answers and they are blaming the people involved. There is NO DOUBT that some will use this as an opportunity to spread hate and lies about the Jews...and that is unfortunate and wrong. However, I don't blame normal people for looking at the situation and wondering what went wrong. If the people's conclusions are the result of "wrong thinking"...so be it...but the people who caused this mess (including a fair number of high profile Jews) have only themselves to blame for the people's perceptions. The logic is still in error. When 'people' look at the situation and tack a race label onto it, that's wrong, no matter what their motives and no matter what their thinking. Who ever is responsible for our economic problems, then those individuals should be held accountable, not a race. If Mr. Clunk made a bad decision then it is Mr. Clunk who should be singled out. The fact that he is jewish, italian, hungarian or any other race has nothing to do with it. The people discussed in the OP are not blaming people. They are blaming a race. It's wrong, no matter what spin you put on it. blessings axx, as others here have tried to show you anti semistism is wrong thinking whether it is sprung from hatred or ignorance it still is wrong. Colbalt's post shows the error in your thinking it . praying you will open your mind and let the Lord address this in your heart. love your sister in Christ, Rebekah David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2009 They are blaming a race. It's wrong, no matter what spin you put on it. Right; spinning does not make racism any less ugly. Blaming the Jews for every problem in the world is the standard operating procedure in islamic countries....we, as Christians, should avoid fanning those flames at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted February 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2009 Does that mean you believe that American Jews would deliberately destroy our economy to ...... oh, what was that reason again? I must have missed it the first time. And how would this benefit the American Jewish population? Or Israel? Nooooo Glory...I never said that. Nor would I say that. In fact, neither did the people taking the poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted February 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2009 If black people ran the Federal Reserve and many of the financial institutions that make up the Fed were run by powerful and influential black businessmen...and blacks were being exposed for swindling investors out of billions of dollars...If the chairmanship of the Fed was passed from black man to black man...and Obama's entire list of potential Treasury secretary nominee's were black...the entire White House unilaterally supported the efforts of these black economic leaders...black members of congress fought to keep legislation from being passed that would harm the businesses of the wealthy elite black businessmen who ran the Fed...etc, etc, etc Yes...I wholehearted believe that people would be blaming the blacks in the financial industry for the economic meltdown. I think you could find at least 31% of people polled would at least consider that idea. And would you agree with this? Justify it? Accept it? Whether I agree with it or not isn't really the point...but I certainly wouldn't blame people for making that connection. That is not racism. There wasn't ONE racist question in the poll even. Racism would be if 31% of the people polled said the ecomony failed because Jews are greedy. Thats racism. Racism: 1. a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. Oxford English Dictionary, 2. belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. Merriam-Webster's Dictionary 3. the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others. Macquarie Dictionary To say that "Jews in the financial industry are responsible for the economic meltdown" is NOT racism. It is an opinion based on the fact that many of the big names involved are people who are Jewish. They didn't even say ALL Jews are responsible...they specifically said the ones in the financial industry. Now you and I may disagree with those 31% of Europeans (I tend to blame liberals...although some of the major players are Jewish democrats)...but I am not going to assume 31% of Europeans who participated are anti-semitic simply because they have a different opinion. Is labeling people as anti-semitic based on past history racist? NO...it is a perfectly understandable opinion. However...if a person were to say that 31% of the people polled cannot be "normal people" based on their cultural history...thats iffy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted February 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2009 The logic is still in error. When 'people' look at the situation and tack a race label onto it, that's wrong, no matter what their motives and no matter what their thinking. Who ever is responsible for our economic problems, then those individuals should be held accountable, not a race. If Mr. Clunk made a bad decision then it is Mr. Clunk who should be singled out. The fact that he is jewish, italian, hungarian or any other race has nothing to do with it. The people discussed in the OP are not blaming people. They are blaming a race. It's wrong, no matter what spin you put on it. First of all...the people answered the questions they were given. If you don't like the questions you need to blame the people asking the questions. The question (the 31% OP question) was about Jews in the financial industry. Its not like they randomly asked people who was responsible, and 31% said "the Jews." The people asking the question brought the "Jews in the financial industry" into it. Maybe the ADL has an angle of their own? Maybe the ADL should have simply asked "Is Mr Clunk to blame?"...instead of asking "Is Mr Clunk the Jew to blame?" Now the ADL can accuse everyone who answered "B" of being an anti-semite and completely diffuse the FACT that Mr. Clunk is still to blame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2009 Does that mean you believe that American Jews would deliberately destroy our economy to ...... oh, what was that reason again? I must have missed it the first time. And how would this benefit the American Jewish population? Or Israel? Nooooo Glory...I never said that. Nor would I say that. In fact, neither did the people taking the poll. I know...that was me asking. I don't understand whether or not you agree with those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted February 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2009 Does that mean you believe that American Jews would deliberately destroy our economy to ...... oh, what was that reason again? I must have missed it the first time. And how would this benefit the American Jewish population? Or Israel? Nooooo Glory...I never said that. Nor would I say that. In fact, neither did the people taking the poll. I know...that was me asking. I don't understand whether or not you agree with those people. Oh, my bad. I misunderstood. I DO NOT agree with the 31%. My first comment on this thread was "I disagree." I got in trouble because I dared to follow that with a "but..." I tend to be on the side that blames democrats (aka socialists) in Congress who fought hard to block any reform when there were direct warnings of a financial collapse. I blame socialists for the collapse of the world economy. (BTW...thank you for taking the time to clarify rather than start blasting away with the inflammatory language and insults.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 14, 2009 To say that "Jews in the financial industry are responsible for the economic meltdown" is NOT racism. It is an opinion based on the fact that many of the big names involved are people who are Jewish. But the statement implies that it was the Jews who did it. And it also implies that non-Jews in the financial industry are innocent. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted February 14, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2009 To say that "Jews in the financial industry are responsible for the economic meltdown" is NOT racism. It is an opinion based on the fact that many of the big names involved are people who are Jewish. But the statement implies that it was the Jews who did it. And it also implies that non-Jews in the financial industry are innocent. Is this true? Personally...I think you are reading into it exactly what the ADL hopes you would. You can't assume that these people are blaming "all" Jews...any more than you can assume that they think "all" non-Jews are innocent. Most of us disregard the majority of polls for this very reason. Polls are easily manipulated, as well as the data that is taken from them. Do you think the 31% would have answered the same way if the question was "Do you blame ALL Jews for the economic meltdown?" I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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