kitty1 Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/09/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/05/1971 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Is Once Saved Always Saved true. I know that my only hope is Jesus. I know that salvation can come by no other way. But can I lose it. If my life doesn't produce good fruit? Will Christ reject me if I don't forgive my fellow brother for wronging me. I was born again at 22. I truely believe that when I asked him to be my Lord and saved me, that I meant it, every word. What if when I asking him to be my Lord and Savior, the answer was no. I have so many question and would like to hear your thoughts of both sides of the coin. Is Once Saved Always Saved, true or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowfromgod Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 376 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/03/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/30/1962 Share Posted March 3, 2009 in the bible it says not even the angels can pry me from his hands thats sounds pretty permanent to me arrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted March 3, 2009 in the bible it says not even the angels can pry me from his hands thats sounds pretty permanent to me arrow Unless we choose to be pried. It's all about our choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitty1 Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/09/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/05/1971 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) Do you think I am saved, if I bare no good fruit. Maybe I am afraid of burning and who wouldn't want a better life after this one, So I have to work for it It's not enough to ask Jesus for it? Edited March 3, 2009 by kitty1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddavid from NC Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 196 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,343 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Is Once Saved Always Saved true.Quick answer no OSAS is not true. I will give a more indepth answer after the thread gets going. Ever felt like you are being stalked? Look its an Arminian in the bushes Did you hear someone pull a sword? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryt Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,230 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Is Once Saved Always Saved true. I know that my only hope is Jesus. I know that salvation can come by no other way. But can I lose it. If my life doesn't produce good fruit? Will Christ reject me if I don't forgive my fellow brother for wronging me. I was born again at 22. I truely believe that when I asked him to be my Lord and saved me, that I meant it, every word. What if when I asking him to be my Lord and Savior, the answer was no. I have so many question and would like to hear your thoughts of both sides of the coin. Is Once Saved Always Saved, true or not. Hi Kitty, Believe the Scriptures. Jesus promised that He would not loose any the the Father gave to Him to save. He cannot fail. Paul tells us that He that bagan a good work in us WOULD complete it. If it is left unfinished that would mean that God had not kept His word through Paul. The scriptures tell us that the saints will persevere to the end. Those that do not persevere were never saved in the first place. Jesus also said that His sheep would never perish under any circumstance. If you are one of the elect of God you are already glorified and already have eternal life. Eternal life cannot be eternal if it ends. LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godrulz Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 885 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1960 Share Posted March 3, 2009 OSAS and POTS (Calvinistic perseverance of the saints/TULIP) is not true. The Bible teaches conditional vs unconditional eternal security. Believers are secure in Christ. A believer is someone who believes and continues to believe (Jude 24-25; Rom. 8). We have assurance, despite our doubts and struggles (Peter denied Christ; Thomas doubted), if we do not reject the person and work of Christ and return to godless unbelief. There are proof texts for this motif. The Bible also warns about the possibility of apostasy or falling away. Since we are not robots, it is possible to renounce Christ. Judas is an e.g. of this (he was called an apostle and became a son of hell/perdition) as was Charles Templeton (Billy Graham type evangelist who died an atheist rejecting Christ). Heb. 3; 6:4-6; 10. It is possible to shipwreck our faith as Paul warns. God is faithful, but this does not preclude us become faithless. Nothing can separate us from Him, but unbelief is a unique sin, the antithesis of saving faith. Just as men can reject the saving power and grace of Christ (universalism is not true), so men can reject the keeping power/grace of the Spirit. Non-OSAS does not deny the security of the believer, but it does not give false assurance to those who fall away in the end. The issue is whether a believer can cease to believe and revert to unbelief. Since we are in the image of God with free will, it is possible to do so. This is more than struggling with sin or honest doubts. It is a willful, final sin against great light where we no longer are in Christ. I Jn. 5:11-13; Jn. 3:16; Jn. 3:36 (note Greek present tenses for faith in other verses...continuous faith; faith that ceases is unbelief). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godrulz Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 885 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1960 Share Posted March 3, 2009 One's theological worldview/paradigm affects how we read texts. Calvinism/determinism, Arminianism/Open Theism (free will theisms), Molinism are the main options. I personally find Open Theism to be the most biblical, coherent free will theism (determinism impugns the character of God in the issue of the problem of evil and should be rejected, unless you are a fatalistic Muslim). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitty1 Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/09/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/05/1971 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 Is Once Saved Always Saved true. I know that my only hope is Jesus. I know that salvation can come by no other way. But can I lose it. If my life doesn't produce good fruit? Will Christ reject me if I don't forgive my fellow brother for wronging me. I was born again at 22. I truely believe that when I asked him to be my Lord and saved me, that I meant it, every word. What if when I asking him to be my Lord and Savior, the answer was no. I have so many question and would like to hear your thoughts of both sides of the coin. Is Once Saved Always Saved, true or not. Hi Kitty, Believe the Scriptures. Jesus promised that He would not loose any the the Father gave to Him to save. He cannot fail. Paul tells us that He that bagan a good work in us WOULD complete it. If it is left unfinished that would mean that God had not kept His word through Paul. The scriptures tell us that the saints will persevere to the end. Those that do not persevere were never saved in the first place. Jesus also said that His sheep would never perish under any circumstance. If you are one of the elect of God you are already glorified and already have eternal life. Eternal life cannot be eternal if it ends. LT But what if the Father never gave me to him. What if I am Satan's joke. Not wanting to burn. Wanting to serve Jesus, but producing no fruit because I want to be saved for the wrong reasons. I want to be his I want a loving Father but I can't seem to get it right, and when I read my bible. I feel like every vile sin, unworthy and unchanging. I feel like the millioniar who walked away because he couldn't give up his money. My pray life is sorrowful and fearful that I will be rejected, because I can't get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitty1 Posted March 3, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/09/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/05/1971 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 OSAS and POTS (Calvinistic perseverance of the saints/TULIP) is not true. The Bible teaches conditional vs unconditional eternal security. Believers are secure in Christ. A believer is someone who believes and continues to believe (Jude 24-25; Rom. 8). We have assurance, despite our doubts and struggles (Peter denied Christ; Thomas doubted), if we do not reject the person and work of Christ and return to godless unbelief. There are proof texts for this motif. The Bible also warns about the possibility of apostasy or falling away. Since we are not robots, it is possible to renounce Christ. Judas is an e.g. of this (he was called an apostle and became a son of hell/perdition) as was Charles Templeton (Billy Graham type evangelist who died an atheist rejecting Christ). Heb. 3; 6:4-6; 10. It is possible to shipwreck our faith as Paul warns. God is faithful, but this does not preclude us become faithless. Nothing can separate us from Him, but unbelief is a unique sin, the antithesis of saving faith. Just as men can reject the saving power and grace of Christ (universalism is not true), so men can reject the keeping power/grace of the Spirit. Non-OSAS does not deny the security of the believer, but it does not give false assurance to those who fall away in the end. The issue is whether a believer can cease to believe and revert to unbelief. Since we are in the image of God with free will, it is possible to do so. This is more than struggling with sin or honest doubts. It is a willful, final sin against great light where we no longer are in Christ. I Jn. 5:11-13; Jn. 3:16; Jn. 3:36 (note Greek present tenses for faith in other verses...continuous faith; faith that ceases is unbelief). [/quote I will never cease to believe, he is my only hope, but I feel like I was predestined to burn, because I haven't changed, Where are my good fruit? Why can't I get it right. Why aren't my prayers answered, why do I always make the wrong choice. Free will is all about choice and I don't want it. I want the right way set before me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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