sysvr4 Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 112 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) OK . . . but that still doesn't get one from a motor scooter to an SUV. Why not? Given sufficient time, material, and knowledge, building an SUV out of a motor scooter should be relatively simple, even if the end product no longer bears resemblance to the original structure. Edited July 11, 2009 by sysvr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin89 Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 It would seem that Lekh and I have transformed this thread into one of the many evolution debates found all over the internet. My apologies to who started this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lekh l'kha Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 830 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) Boy, has this topic ever gone away from the OP! But since we're here, I might as well throw out this thought. The reason we reject the theory of evolution is because it makes as much sense to us as someone taking a motor scooter, and then with a little change here and a little change there, over time, ending up with a large SUV. If this is an accurate reflection of your reasoning I suggest you study the theory and it's evidence a little more. We know that mutations acted upon by natural selection can alter organisms beyond species boundaries, the record of life on earth resembles a progression of accumulated traits consistent with natural selection acting upon such random genetic mutations, and we know of no mechanism that would limit how far these small changes could take an organism given enough time and the right environment. Relating all of this to a simplistic mechanical analogy is hopelessly inaccurate. Can't you swallow a French Dictionary for a change? Edited July 11, 2009 by lekh l'kha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin89 Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 Don't feed the trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 Boy, has this topic ever gone away from the OP! But since we're here, I might as well throw out this thought. The reason we reject the theory of evolution is because it makes as much sense to us as someone taking a motor scooter, and then with a little change here and a little change there, over time, ending up with a large SUV. If this is an accurate reflection of your reasoning I suggest you study the theory and it's evidence a little more. We know that mutations acted upon by natural selection can alter organisms beyond species boundaries, the record of life on earth resembles a progression of accumulated traits consistent with natural selection acting upon such random genetic mutations, and we know of no mechanism that would limit how far these small changes could take an organism given enough time and the right environment. Relating all of this to a simplistic mechanical analogy is hopelessly inaccurate. No...YOUR reasoning is flawed. Minor adaptations over a long, long period of time can, indeed, change a species into something that is not even remotely like the original ancestor. They CANNOT change one species into another. If you know of any such happening please state it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sysvr4 Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 112 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 [...] Minor adaptations over a long, long period of time can, indeed, change a species into something that is not even remotely like the original ancestor. They CANNOT change one species into another.[...] Aren't those essentially the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 [...] Minor adaptations over a long, long period of time can, indeed, change a species into something that is not even remotely like the original ancestor. They CANNOT change one species into another.[...] Aren't those essentially the same thing? No; a species can change and adapt within it's own boundaries. There is no evidence of, say, a bird species evolving into snakes or monkeys into humans. There is plenty of speculation but no proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lekh l'kha Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 830 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 Don't feed the trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin89 Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2009 No...YOUR reasoning is flawed. Minor adaptations over a long, long period of time can, indeed, change a species into something that is not even remotely like the original ancestor. They CANNOT change one species into another. If you know of any such happening please state it here. If a species changes into something that isn't even remotely like the original ancestor... then... it has become a new species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 11, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 It would seem that Lekh and I have transformed this thread into one of the many evolution debates found all over the internet. My apologies to who started this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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