Is this the end of the us?

[JohnS]

And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands.

It sure looks as if the war on Iraq is about to begin. Russia, among others, may use the US attack on Iraq as justification to attack Israel, especially if Israel responds with a heavy hand to an attack by Hezbullah by taking out Damascus. Who else could 'those who live in security in the coastlands' be? Could the 'fire' be a nuclear exchange? Enter France and Germany shouting peace.

[Guest yod]

I don't presume to know about those particular verses but if the USA is seriously pressuring Israel to give up territory to the Palestinians, then we will lose this war in disgrace.

I believe and hope that G. W. Bush is making the terms of this road map impossible for Arafat (or his appointed henchmen) to actually reach a settlement. I think that Bush knows this and is only buying time for Tony Blair in the UK.

But who knows what the future holds? Maybe this Road Map is used by the next president with a different agenda? Maybe we lose pretige in the world and the EU takes the lead using our Road Map? Maybe King Abdullah makes a covenant with the Arab nations and Israel according to this plan?

One thing is certain....Those who curse Israel will be cursed.

Just ask Congressman Moran (D)

[JohnS]

One of the conditions is always that the terrorism stop and that just won't happen while Arafat is around.

[Guest blessedbygod]

Here are some links to show you that America is in trouble. Check them out and give me your input.

http://www.watch.org/showart....&mcat=4

http://www.watch.org/showart....&mcat=4

http://www.watch.org/showart....&mcat=4

http://www.jnewswire.com/editorial/03/04/030410_alarm.asp

http://www.watch.org/showart....&mcat=4

http://www.watch.org/showart....&mcat=4

http://www.watch.org/showart....&mcat=4

http://www.watch.org/showart....&mcat=4

[JohnS]

Good stuff! Let me post one of them.

JNW Editorial

A call to Israel and the United States

By Stan Goodenough & Jan Willem van der Hoeven

Jerusalem - April 10, 2003

As horrendous a toll as the Oslo Process has taken on Israel's people and nationhood, an even greater danger lies ahead should its leaders agree to accept the Quartet's "Road Map for implementation of a permanent solution for two states in the Israel-Palestinian Dispute."

Israel, beware! Instead of charting a path to peace, the Road Map leads to a death trap that will spell the destruction of your state. Just your agreement to the implementation of this "two-state solution" could only lead to a further, unbearable loss of Jewish life.

The Road Map is the perpetuation of the Oslo Process under a different name, and we urge you not to talk about it, not to wrangle over it, but to resist it with all your might.

A decade ago we balked as the international community hailed the signing of an agreement it said would finally bring peace to the Middle East. We knew what terrible danger it held for your people.

And for 10 years we have witnessed the direct outcome of that 'agreement with #### and the grave:' the deaths of over 1,000 Israelis, and the wounding and maiming for life of thousands more.

Oslo critically compromised your state's security, and drove a wedge of division deep into your nation. Its inevitable collapse triggered a terror campaign of Jewish bloodletting unprecedented in the history of your reborn national home.

From the moment we heard about the Declaration of Principles, we sounded our first warnings. But our cries fell on deaf ears; our concerns were dismissed, and we were labeled enemies of peace.

Although we did try, we know we should have done more to persuade you to leave the Oslo road. Maybe, just maybe, we could have saved some lives.

Yes, we witnessed with you the horrifying debacle resulting from the foolish elevation of a known murderer and terrorist to the level of statesman and peacemaker. And now we see you preparing to do it again, this time by elevating to that level PLO leader Abu Mazen - a Holocaust denier and a man who has never expressed contrition for the decades of terrorism he helped to direct, and who, as recently as last month, publicly condoned the murder of Jewish women and children.

Rather than acknowledging what Oslo graphically exposed as the moral and political bankruptcy of "land-for-peace," the international community is gearing up to aggressively resume its pursuit of this path under a plan partially proposed by Saudi Arabia. And Israel, it looks as if you are going to let it happen.

You should be alarmed, Israel. You should be greatly alarmed!

Just as with Oslo, the Road Map legitimizes the fraudulent Arab claim to your land and appeases the belligerent party to the conflict, while exacting from you the surrender of the cradle of your nationhood and the security of your strategic depth, with no guarantees that doing so will bring protection and peace to the indefensible scrap of land that is all that will be left of your Jewish state.

Oslo, which created a temporary, interim Arab self-administration, and which you always had the option to reverse, led to the graves of hundreds of your daughters and sons. How much more painful a price will the Road Map demand, setting in stone as it does the foundations on which an irreversible Arab Islamic state will be erected on your God-ordained lands?

The creation of "Palestine" would fly in the face of God's promises to settle you permanently on the very "mountains of Israel" that are now again to be placed on the table. This historically illegitimate state would suggest that God could not keep His promises or ensure the outworking of His plans.

We have seen how, especially when you sought to pursue the division of your land, terror struck hardest, stopping you literally in your tracks on this road to disaster.

But despite these bloody realities, your Prime Minister is encouraging efforts to push on in this fateful direction. And you remain virtually mute.

You dare not be put to sleep by those who say, "Arik would never do this." He is clearly committed to this path, and if he proceeds, he will be responsible, as were prime minister's Begin and Rabin, for endangering rather than securing your future.

Four times this past year, Mr. Sharon has flouted the message sent to him by his own party and then by the Israeli electorate at large, and worked to ensure that the lawmakers who oppose a Palestinian state are removed from his inner circle. He has told his countrymen he believes this state to be inevitable, and he is calling on you to stand with him in bringing this about.

Perhaps your prime minister feels, like so many of you do, that there is no other way to relieve the continued pressure of the world upon him than to acquiesce to the demand for a Palestinian state.

If so, then we want him and you to know that we, as Christian Zionists, are willing to fight this battle with the chief of the nations, some 71 percent of whose citizens support the war against Arafat's brother in arms, Saddam Hussein.

Israel, you have already paid a horrifying price for not resolutely stating your claim and right to this land, and for entering into agreements with those who are working to usurp that claim.

For those who were deceived by the lie of the Left that there could be no way to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict except through a negotiated settlement, you have just witnessed the United States establish another way.

We believe the time has come for you to acknowledge and declare that, from the River to the Sea, this is your God-given and God-restored land. You owe this to the memory of all Jews who longed for this land but were never able to see it, and you owe it to all the Israelis who have paid with their lives to live in and defend Eretz Yisrael.

Quartet or no Quartet, we encourage you to follow the righteous example set by the United States, which refused to bow to international pressure regarding Iraq and did what was in America's best defense and interest. So too, you should do what is in your nation's best interest, then stand and see the salvation of your God.

We wish also to deliver the following admonition to the United States:

We believe that the Lord of all the earth has destined you to be the leading power in the world today. Millions of your citizens deeply love and worship the God of Israel. Your elected president is a self-professed, Bible-believing Christian who has proven to be a man of integrity and great courage.

Could it be true that God, in His mercy and goodness, has singled out your nation as a channel of blessing, protection and deliverance, also because, against the rest of the world, American has stood firmly with and behind Israel, causing God to thus far keep His holy promise to 'bless them that bless My people?'

How is it then, that while over 70 percent of you are opposed to the establishment of a Palestinian state, the leader you elected, and whose policies you are empowered to help shape, is leaning dangerously in favor of its creation?

Somehow, this same man who faced off against his own Quartet partners when it came to liberating the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein, is by all accounts of one mind with this same Quartet when it comes to cutting in two the land of Israel and overseeing the creation in its heart of a new, despotic, Arab regime?

For this he is already being feted on the world's television networks as the first US president to ever verbalize support for a viable Palestinian state. On April 8, he told a press conference he is ready to put as much effort into implementing the Road Map as Prime Minister Blair has poured into the peace process in Northern Ireland.

Earlier we heard the outrageous statements by Secretary of State Colin Powell when he asserted that it is still Israel that has not done enough in its quest for peace, this despite the fact Israel is still prepared to offer the Palestinians a state after all the years of terrible suffering at their hands!

Notwithstanding these signs warning of an eventual Bush betrayal of Israel, we believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was gracious to your country when He stiffened the neck of the Security Council and kept the United Nations from sharing with you in the glory of liberating Iraq.

Had the world body given its full support to Operation Iraqi Freedom, the precedent would have been set for the Arab-leaning UN to force Israel to surrender half of its land to implacable enemies.

Thank God, nearly all three of the four Quartet members - Old Europe, the United Nations and Russia - were found wanting when it came to supporting the valiant, US-led efforts to rid this world of Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction.

But the danger is not past. Great Britain, which did stand with you and sent its men and women to fight alongside yours in Iraq, is a primary proponent of "Palestine."

Prime Minister Blair, distressed by the rifts opened in the international community over Iraq, has identified the vigorous implementation of the Road Map as the best remedy for healing this division, and especially for placating the infuriated Arab states.

But America take note! Offering up Israel to placate the oil-rich, terrorist-sponsoring Arab states will be no less an historic injustice and a crime against the people of Israel, than the appeasing of Nazi Germany by offering up Czechoslovakia was a felony against the people of that state. You know what that cowardice cost the world.

When three of your soldiers were killed by a car bomb in Iraq, you tasted just one hundredth of what the people of Israel have had leveled against them in the past two years. Instead of perversely, for reasons of political and or economic expediency, helping the PLO establish another Israel and American-hating terrorist state on Jewish lands, basic decency and fairness demand that you give Israel as free a hand to fight its war against terror as you have had to fight yours, and that you support her in this fight as unconditionally as she has supported you.

America beware. Your nation's persistent pursuit of the Road Map will take you from blessing Israel to cursing her. The price you will pay may include the end of the era of your prosperity and the removal from you of the glorious mantle of world leadership.

We urge you to recognize the new realities and opportunities that your steadfast determination to go against Iraq has opened up in the world. We would plead with you to seize the historic day that lies before you, and instead of patching up the old, discredited alliances, encourage you to align yourself fully with Israel, and with the rest of the coalition of the willing. If you do, the blessings that will come to your nation will outshine anything that you have ever known.

After September 11 you told the world that it was either with you or against you in your war against terror. Israel is fully with America. Are you, fully, with her?