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I'm studying John 14 at the moment and I am pondering on something that Jesus told His disciples at the last supper.

John 14 v v10-12

10."Don't you believe I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. 11.Trust me, that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me. But if you can't, then trust because of the works themselves. 12.Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever trusts in me will also do the works I do! Indeed, he will do greater ones, because I am going to the Father." - Yeshua CJB

Now my question is this - did Jesus mean greater as in "number", more works or greater as in "more potential/capacity/dimension/scope"?

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I'm studying John 14 at the moment and I am pondering on something that Jesus told His disciples at the last supper.

John 14 v v10-12

10."Don't you believe I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. 11.Trust me, that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me. But if you can't, then trust because of the works themselves. 12.Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever trusts in me will also do the works I do! Indeed, he will do greater ones, because I am going to the Father." - Yeshua CJB

Now my question is this - did Jesus mean greater as in "number", more works or greater as in "more potential/capacity/dimension/scope"?

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Greater in terms of impact. Jesus limited His ministry to a small physical area, we are to go out and bring the gospel to the entire world!

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*But that can't be done individually - as a united body this can be done - so in that sense - with Jesus being united with the Father, I was thinking did He mean a greater "power" because of Their "combined" capacity poured out in us if only we "trusted" enough in that "power/ability".?...thoughts, thoughts, thoughts....

* Some of us also have a small witnessing area...

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When Jesus returns will He find faith on Earth?

If it was today. The answer would be No.

Say in a few years time when the church goes through the trib.

I'm a post -trib.

I would say :YES.

Then the fat lazy church will be forced to use there Faith muscles or die.

I'm hungry... presto... better than manna.. try doing that now oh ye of little faith :whistling:

There is faith on earth right now.

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I think I get you Z but I am still going to ask for definition of real faith and spiritual faith.

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How can we call ourselves Believers if we don't have faith in the first instance? :emot-hug:

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I'm studying John 14 at the moment and I am pondering on something that Jesus told His disciples at the last supper.

John 14 v v10-12

10."Don't you believe I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. 11.Trust me, that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me. But if you can't, then trust because of the works themselves. 12.Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever trusts in me will also do the works I do! Indeed, he will do greater ones, because I am going to the Father." - Yeshua CJB

Now my question is this - did Jesus mean greater as in "number", more works or greater as in "more potential/capacity/dimension/scope"?

Thanks.

Greater in terms of impact. Jesus limited His ministry to a small physical area, we are to go out and bring the gospel to the entire world!

Andy, you are exactly right!

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I'm studying John 14 at the moment and I am pondering on something that Jesus told His disciples at the last supper.

John 14 v v10-12

10."Don't you believe I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. 11.Trust me, that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me. But if you can't, then trust because of the works themselves. 12.Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever trusts in me will also do the works I do! Indeed, he will do greater ones, because I am going to the Father." - Yeshua CJB

Now my question is this - did Jesus mean greater as in "number", more works or greater as in "more potential/capacity/dimension/scope"?

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I think I get you Z but I am still going to ask for definition of real faith and spiritual faith.

Real Faith:I define as works Phisical, you show your faith as you witness Jesus, peform mirricles so forth.

Spititual Faith: To believe in something you cant see, Salvation takes spiritual faith. Anyone can have spirit faith.

Real faith takes work. prayer, fasting, witnessing, forsaking, union with Jesus:- result POWER.

Everyone has measue of both...that believes.

Where does the bible make such a distinction?

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