Rick-Parker Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,273 Content Per Day: 4.84 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted April 19, 2010 It's just a ritual that means nothing to many Christians. If it means nothing then it shouldn't bother them if I do it right? I doubt many would even notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsomebulldog Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 732 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 113 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/26/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/30/1971 Share Posted April 19, 2010 In a somewhat related topic: my husband's family is Independent Baptist. I was raised Southern Baptist. Neither of us ever experienced rituals like crossing oneself or using repetitive prayers. (I've memorized The Lord's Prayer, but not because I think reciting it is somehow pious or particularly beneficial. My understanding and belief is that it was given to us as a model for our own prayers. Back to the topic at hand. ) I have never been superstitious. I find it absurd behavior, especially for a Christian. Which was why I was outright stunned when I was riding with my father-in-law in his truck once when a black cat darted across the road in front of us. He crossed himself instantly. I was too shocked to react. I have laughed about it since, but I also feel disappointed that he would do something so superstitious. 1st: black cats are just cats like any others. I've owned black cats before and never viewed them as evil or somehow unlucky. (I don't actually believe luck exists either.) 2nd: I do not know why any Christian would think making the sign of the cross would somehow ward off perceived evil. (I'm not saying I don't believe evil exists, but a simple act of crossing oneself is no way to deal with it.) Having said all this, I do not see any problem with it in the way Attreyu is describing his use of the ritual. I wear a cross as a way of identifying myself as a Christian and as a tangible reminder to myself in those moments when I feel myself slipping. What Attreyu is describing seems to be the same. I don't worship the cross, I worship Christ. And I don't really care whether the implement that was used to kill Jesus was a pole, a pike, a stake, a "T" shaped cross or some kind of "X." It's like Christmas to me. It's the accepted tradition and so long as it is fine with me so long as it is viewed correctly. So cross yourself if you like, Attreyu. In answer to your original question, I cannot think of any passage of scripture that would prohibit it so long as you don't ascribe some mystical power to the motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2010 I remember that Carol Burnett used to tug on her earlobe at the end of her show as a secret sign to tell her kids "I love you". I do not understand why anyone needs to genuflect - The Catholic church and some Episcopal churches do it.... personally, I don't need a sign of the cross to tell Jesus I love and respect Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSLewis Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 828 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/28/1980 Share Posted April 19, 2010 There are definite points during the liturgy that one is to cross themselves. After recieving the host , after "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" after "Father, Son , and Holy Spirit" after "resurrection of the dead" when reciting the nicene creed. After recieving the wine. When entering the sanctuary, when approaching the cross on Good Friday mass. Making a small cross on your forehead, lips and heart before the reading of the gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I remember that Carol Burnett used to tug on her earlobe at the end of her show as a secret sign to tell her kids "I love you". I thought Carol did that as a "hello" to her grandmother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2010 There are definite points during the liturgy that one is to cross themselves. After recieving the host , after "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" after "Father, Son , and Holy Spirit" after "resurrection of the dead" when reciting the nicene creed. After recieving the wine. When entering the sanctuary, when approaching the cross on Good Friday mass. Making a small cross on your forehead, lips and heart before the reading of the gospel. Perhaps you could elaborate as to the specific meanings and why someone would do this? Having been an adherent of this Religious practice I will tell you that it takes you no closer to God. What are the Biblical requirements for entering the presence of the Lord? Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2010 I remember that Carol Burnett used to tug on her earlobe at the end of her show as a secret sign to tell her kids "I love you". I thought Carol did that as a "hello" to her grandmother? Hi to Grandmother - I love you to the kids - w-h-a-t-e-v-e-r .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2010 There are definite points during the liturgy that one is to cross themselves. After recieving the host , after "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" after "Father, Son , and Holy Spirit" after "resurrection of the dead" when reciting the nicene creed. After recieving the wine. When entering the sanctuary, when approaching the cross on Good Friday mass. Making a small cross on your forehead, lips and heart before the reading of the gospel. Perhaps you could elaborate as to the specific meanings and why someone would do this? Having been an adherent of this Religious practice I will tell you that it takes you no closer to God. What are the Biblical requirements for entering the presence of the Lord? Peace, Dave That is my question, also ... Where in the Scriptures does it describe that we are to use a sign of the cross, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSLewis Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 828 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/28/1980 Share Posted April 19, 2010 You are not required, but I do. It is an Anglican tradition, especially in the high church or broad church worship styles. I think it is a way to keep yourself centered on the cross. The sacrament of communion is central to the episcopal church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted April 20, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,273 Content Per Day: 4.84 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted April 20, 2010 You are not required, but I do. It is an Anglican tradition, especially in the high church or broad church worship styles. I think it is a way to keep yourself centered on the cross. The sacrament of communion is central to the episcopal church. AHA! That explains everything!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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