Floatilla Facts

[Guest shiloh357]

Below is a list of brief facts about the Floatilla and Israel's Blockade of Gaza from the Zionist Organization of America

• The Gaza Terrorist Flotilla was organized by the Turkish Islamic Group Islan Haklary Ve Hurriyetleri Vakfi (or I.H.H.), which is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda. (all terrorist organizations - Shiloh)
  
  
• The Objective was to aid and abet HAMAS, the Palestinian terrorist group that runs Gaza , and that has launched thousands of rockets at Israeli civilians in the course of its ongoing war against Israel. Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews (Hamas Charter, articles 15 & 7).
  
  
• As a result of the hostilities with Hamas, Israel has declared a Naval Blockade on materials entering Gaza by sea, and this flotilla purposely and unlawfully sought to avoid the legitimate inspection of its cargo.
  
  
• International law recognizes the embargo of goods to countries at war and requires neutral shipping to follow the directions of ships enforcing a blockade.
  
  
• Israel routinely allows humanitarian cargo to enter Gaza overland and, despite active propaganda to the contrary, there is no humanitarian crisis there. The flotilla was offered the chance to dock at an Israeli port to unload their cargo for delivery overland to Gaza. This offer was rejected out of hand by the flotilla organizers. In addition, Hamas has denied the inspected goods entry into Gaza to make a political point.
  
  
• The stated aim of the flotilla was to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza. The terrorist fighters on board the Mavi Marmara vessel, one of six in the flotilla, were determined to accomplish this through violence and martyrdom; they prepared a violent ambush for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). The other five ships in the flotilla did not initiate violence, and so were entirely unharmed.
  
  
• The IDF approached the vessels with maximum restraint, armed with paint-ball guns for crowd dispersal. Force was a defensive last resort necessitated by violent aggression against the IDF soldiers; the use of lethal force is a direct consequence of the dozens of terrorist fighters savagely attempting to murder the IDF soldiers.
  

[~candice~]

Thanks for sharing Shiloh. There are some great groups on facebook also spreading the truth of the floqtilla incident.

[Guest shiloh357]

Thanks Andy. Yes there are some good ones over there.

Something else needs to be said, I think. The goals or inentions of the people on the boat be it humanitarian or for terrorist purposes, have absolutely nothing to do with the justice or any lack of it in the raid itself. When it comes to protecting ones borders, the issue in play is sovereignty, not feelings or emotional reaction. Just because a preacher comes to your door to share the gospel rather than steal your stuff does not automatically give him the right to walk into your home no matter how good his intentions might be.

The critics of Israel continue to harp on and on about the fact that the raid occurred in international waters. The relevance of that fact is rendered meaningless due to the fact that the plainly stated goals of the extremists on the boat was to violate the blockade. That fact on its own renders the precise location of the boat unimportant and irrelevant.

I have noticed that even Israels' friends continue to use words like "stupid" or "botched" to refer to Israel's actions pertaining to this raid. The problem Israel faced was that they were left with only one other option: Let the boats float unhindered through the blockade. That would render the blockade unenforceable in future encounters with other boats. The fact is that the terrorists on the boat had both a humanitarian and military objective. On the one hand, they were taking humanitarian aid to Gaza, but on the other, they were intent on breaking the blockade. Israel's terrorist enemies have beccome quite well practiced in blurring the lines between innocents and militants. When they do that, there are really no good options.

If there is one quality that some of Israel's "friends" seem to share with the extremists is that Israel is supposed to be perfect, as well as all-knowing as if flawless perfection is a precondition of Israel's legitimacy. In defending itself, Israel is expected to fight sanitary wars with no civilian casualties or errors of any kind. Israel is held to impossible standards of flawless operational perfection that is not expected of any other nation.

The Floatilla raid was neither stupid nor botched. If one could find a mistake, it was in boarding the boat too lightly armed to deal with the ambush that was waiting for them.

[MorningGlory]

Thanks Andy. Yes there are some good ones over there.

Something else needs to be said, I think. The goals or inentions of the people on the boat be it humanitarian or for terrorist purposes, have absolutely nothing to do with the justice of the raid itself. When it comes to protecting ones borders, the issue in play is sovereignty, not feelings or emotional reaction. Just because preacher comes to your door to share the gospel rather than steal your stuff does not automatically give him the right to walk into your home.

The critics of Israel continue to harp on and on about the fact that the raid occurred in international waters. The relevance of that fact is rendered meaningless due to the fact that the explictly stated intention of the extremists on the boat was to violate the blockade. That fact on its own renders the precise location of the boat unimportant.

I have noticed that even Israels' friends continue to use words like "stupid" or "botched" to refer to Israel's actions pertaining to this raid. The problem Israel was faced was that they were left with only one other option: Let the boats float unhindered through the blockade. The fact is that the terrorists on the boat had both a humanitarian and military objective. On the one hand, they were taking humanitarian aid to Gaza, but on the other, they were intent on breaking the blockade. Israel's terrorist enemies have beccome quite well practiced in blurring the lines between innocents and militants. When they do that, there are really no good options.

If there is one quality that some of Israel's "friends" seem to share with the extremists is that Israel is supposed to be perfect, as well as all-knowing as if flawless perfection is a precondition of Israel's legitimacy. Israel is expected to defend itself, to fight sanitary wars with no civilian casualties or errors of any kind. Israel is held to impossible standards of flawless operational perfection that is not expected of any other nation.

The Floatilla raid was neither stupid nor botched. If one could find a mistake, it was in boarding the boat too lightly armed to deal with the ambush that was waiting for them.

Absolutely! But....I'll bet the next boarding will see full battle gear.

[Guest shiloh357]

Absolutely! But....I'll bet the next boarding will see full battle gear.

I have a feeling you are right. Next time, Israeli commandos will come in with full body armor and assault gear and they will make sure they are not outnumbered this time.

[hupo]

Below is a list of brief facts about the Floatilla and Israel's Blockade of Gaza from the Zionist Organization of America

Shilo,

I am in another forum that is mostly anti-zionist, and the points you bring here are spelled out in a better way I could ever post them

It is quite amazing to see how facts are twisted and manipulated when they don't fit a certain agenda

Thank you for this clear summary of the said incident

[georgedrw81]

We all knew what was on those boata, what would happen and the aftermath. The ones that will pay are the families which will receive rockets from Gaza and the ones receiving the bombs from Israel.

Praying for those families.

[Guest shiloh357]

We all knew what was on those boata, what would happen and the aftermath. The ones that will pay are the families which will receive rockets from Gaza and the ones receiving the bombs from Israel.

Praying for those families.

Actually, george that is not true. Israel does not play tit-for-tat. The terrorists are the ones who will bomb families. Israel on the other hand, will go after the terrorists. Israel does not bomb homes of families in order to retaliate against terrorism. Your implication of moral equivalence is unfounded.

Israel suffered 8 years of rockets and mortar fire from Gaza without military retaliation. Israel excersized far, far more restraint than any other nation. Other nations would have reacted much sooner and with far more ferocity, and with higher civilian casualty rates than Israel incurrs. And they would have done so without near the degree of condemnation that is heaped on Israel for even the most nonviolent defensive measures employed.