nebula Posted September 16, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Rev. 6:2 - I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. I know the traditional interpretation of the bow notes that arrows are not given with the bow, thus it is a peaceful conquest . . . something like that. (Even though arrows are not always mentioned with the bow in other places in Scripture - i.e. Genesis 48:22 - "Moreover I have given to you one portion above your brothers, which I took from the hand of the Amorite with my sword and my bow.") ??? Anyway, as I was looking up symbolism for something else, I happened to see the mention of the symbolism of the bow: ~~~~~ Bow Judgment against evil, taking action to conquer evil God judges the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he has bent his bow, and made it ready. Psalm 7: 11-12. And in your majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and your right hand shall teach you terrible things. Your arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; by which the people fall under you. Psalm 45: 4-5. Source ~~~~~ If the bow is the symbol of judgment, how does this affect the interpretation of the prophecy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exrockstar Posted September 16, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,673 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 16, 2010 Rev. 6:2 - I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. I know the traditional interpretation of the bow notes that arrows are not given with the bow, thus it is a peaceful conquest . . . something like that. (Even though arrows are not always mentioned with the bow in other places in Scripture - i.e. Genesis 48:22 - "Moreover I have given to you one portion above your brothers, which I took from the hand of the Amorite with my sword and my bow.") ??? Anyway, as I was looking up symbolism for something else, I happened to see the mention of the symbolism of the bow: ~~~~~ Bow Judgment against evil, taking action to conquer evil God judges the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he has bent his bow, and made it ready. Psalm 7: 11-12. And in your majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and your right hand shall teach you terrible things. Your arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; by which the people fall under you. Psalm 45: 4-5. Source ~~~~~ If the bow is the symbol of judgment, how does this affect the interpretation of the prophecy? the rider held a bow but did not hold an arrow nor aimed at anyone with an arrow. me thinks deep sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted September 16, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted September 16, 2010 the rider held a bow but did not hold an arrow nor aimed at anyone with an arrow. me thinks deep sometimes. Why are arrows necessary for the description and symbolism? Genesis 48:22 - "Moreover I have given to you one portion above your brothers, which I took from the hand of the Amorite with my sword and my bow. Genesis 49:24 - But his bow remained in strength, And the arms of his hands were made strong By the hands of the Mighty God of Jacob (From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel), 2 Samuel 1:22 - From the blood of the slain, From the fat of the mighty, The bow of Jonathan did not turn back, And the sword of Saul did not return empty. 2 Chronicles 17:17 - Of Benjamin: Eliada a mighty man of valor, and with him two hundred thousand men armed with bow and shield; Job 20:24 - He will flee from the iron weapon; A bronze bow will pierce him through. Psalms 44:6 - For I will not trust in my bow, Nor shall my sword save me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzdy Posted September 16, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,911 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted September 16, 2010 I see the bow here representing a false seed or word, a false gospel or corrupt one coming upon the world to divide, conquer. The root word for bow here in Strongs reads like this: tiktō tik'-to A strengthened from of a primary word τέκω tekō (which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses); to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literal or figurative: - bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail. Its a seal that was broken it brings forth the false twisted gospel to the world and in the name of 'religion' many things have been done. Thats my take on it anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blien Posted September 17, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 346 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,050 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1982 Share Posted September 17, 2010 I don't think there is anything mysterious about this. I don't think arrows are even need to be mentioned. David wrote in one of his Psalms, "he makes my arms strong to bend a bow of bronze"... so it's not necessary. I believe the bow is mentioned because it is a weapon that can be shot from a distance to kill. The attacker does not need to be in close proximity to the enemy... but Nebula that verse in revelation you mentioned is not about God. It's about the anti-christ. Jesus is always represented with a sword which is the word of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted September 17, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,049 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Online Share Posted September 17, 2010 I would say that the absence of arrows means nothing . . . no more than if some one said "He has a gun!" yet failed to mention bullets would have to mean the gun was useless or a non-threatening thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted September 17, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted September 17, 2010 but Nebula that verse in revelation you mentioned is not about God. I never said it was. Why did you think I did? It's about the anti-christ. Well, I'm not convinced of that. I believe it is the same kind of entity as War and Pestilence and Famine (the other three horses/horsemen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted September 17, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted September 17, 2010 I would say that the absence of arrows means nothing . . . no more than if some one said "He has a gun!" yet failed to mention bullets would have to mean the gun was useless or a non-threatening thing. Great example, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted September 17, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted September 17, 2010 OK - so what is the symbolism of the bow, and how does that impact how one interprets the horse and rider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exrockstar Posted September 17, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,673 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 17, 2010 the rider held a bow but did not hold an arrow nor aimed at anyone with an arrow. me thinks deep sometimes. Why are arrows necessary for the description and symbolism? Genesis 48:22 - "Moreover I have given to you one portion above your brothers, which I took from the hand of the Amorite with my sword and my bow. Genesis 49:24 - But his bow remained in strength, And the arms of his hands were made strong By the hands of the Mighty God of Jacob (From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel), 2 Samuel 1:22 - From the blood of the slain, From the fat of the mighty, The bow of Jonathan did not turn back, And the sword of Saul did not return empty. 2 Chronicles 17:17 - Of Benjamin: Eliada a mighty man of valor, and with him two hundred thousand men armed with bow and shield; Job 20:24 - He will flee from the iron weapon; A bronze bow will pierce him through. Psalms 44:6 - For I will not trust in my bow, Nor shall my sword save me. did the rider with the bow conquer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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