It is Finished

[Catsmeow]

Thank you, Bernie.  Blessings to you!  -Cat    

[Valid Name]

Greetings All,

I have no problem with the people from the RCC.

[Catsmeow]

Hi, Val...I hate to play dumb, but I lost ya.  -Cat

[Valid Name]

Greetings Cats,

Read Numbers 19 and compare to the death of Messiah.  Also read my 2nd and 4th post on the thread.  Did a clean man gather the ashes of Messiah (Numbers 19:9), and what was the cross made out of (vs 6)?

Sincerely,

Valid name

[Bernie]

Hello Valid,

Like you, I'm disappointed that email notification of replies to posts isn't available here....I forgot about this post till stumbling across it today.  (Getting old and feeble minded)

You've piqued my curiosity concerning the cedar, hysop, scarlet, etc.  But I don't understand the significance of "ashes" at all.

Enlighten me, please.

God bless you in your walk.

[Hook&Bell]

I am a non-denominational Jesuschrist following christian.  And this is my opinion as to why of the many religions, Jesuschrist the Word made flesh.  Whether they are against Jesus or Preaching Jesus, they are still spreading the Word, so his sheep here his voice and follow him, the Lord does the rest, if the sheep are willing to follow.  Even when they battle in court the word is still being preached, it is spreading like a fire and a Double edge Sword!!! :thumb:

[OneAccord]

concerning cedar, hyssop and scarlet, it's interesting that the Native Americans in this country use cedar, sage (which is closely related to hyssop) and bright red cloth to wrap sage with or wrap sacred items in.   In Psalm 51 "purge me with hyssop"  reminds me very much of "smudge me with sage" as the Indians here do.  

Just an interesting thought to sidetrack this thread with.

[OneAccord]

concerning cedar, hyssop and scarlet, it's interesting that the Native Americans in this country use cedar, sage (which is closely related to hyssop) and bright red cloth to wrap sage with or wrap sacred items in.   In Psalm 51 "purge me with hyssop"  reminds me very much of "smudge me with sage" as the Indians here do.  

Just an interesting thought to sidetrack this thread with.

[OneAccord]

Concerning the original topic  IT IS FINISHED here is a very interesting excerpt from an article on the Complexities of Time by Lambert Dolphin:

The Mysterious Flow of Time

Although time is measured in history in terms of clocks and calendars, it is also articulated into seasons. These periods of time bend, stretch, and unfold as God periodically moves the course of history in a different direction. Often, at the last minute, God postpones the final consummation of events, withdraws impending judgments, or even blesses us unexpectedly just when it seems to us that we are at a point of no return in our personal lives or when we think the sky is about to fall on our heads bringing an end to the world as we know it.

God is outside of time. He is an eternally self-existing, self-defining, living Being. Since he created time as we know it, we can think of past, present, and future are eternally present before His eyes.

God's actions in eternity can affect past, present, and future (as experienced by mankind), simultaneously. A certain action of God completed in the past can have on-going and lasting results. Other activities of God, such as His expressions and grace and mercy towards us all, continue day after day. Certain events, such as the "appointed" hour we die or the Day of Judgment, are fixed in the future, predetermined by God. Since God is more concerned with the quality of time than the quantity or measure of time, we can all expect to experience time differently in eternity depending on the quality of our lives during our present training on earth.

Since God is outside of time, past, present and future are always present before Him. Consider the case of a sudden airplane disaster where all the passengers and crew have but moments to cry out to God in a hundred or more sudden, separate, desperate prayers. God has all of eternity to hear even the shortest of these prayers, to review all the lives and facts and His own timetables for history---He knows every heart, every motive, all the facts and He has all the time in the world to take a myriad of data into consideration before answering or denying each one of those prayers! He can take His time, all the time He needs, and yet not fail to answer every one of these simultaneous prayers, each with justice, compassion, and certitude. He does not need to make split-second decisions as we do, He is never caught off guard, and when He does act He can accomplish the impossible in a flash. An example of this sudden and complete action by God will be in the coming resurrection of the dead as described in First Corinthians,

"Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed."

Some have attempted to estimate the time duration of a "twinkling of the eye." It is surely no more than milliseconds in our time frame.

There are many references in the Bible to "appointments" on God's calendar indicating that there is a divine plan for the ages in effect at all times. The age prior to the one in which we now live carries the title "times of ignorance." Speaking in Athens the Apostle Paul declared to the crowd,

"The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all men life and breath and everything. And he made from one [man, Adam] every nation of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their habitation, that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him. Yet he is not far from each one of us, for `In him we live and move and have our being'; as even some of your poets have said, `For we are indeed his offspring.' Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the Deity is like gold, or silver, or stone, a representation by the art and imagination of man.

A Glimpse into Eternity

The Biblical view of time found in the New Testament is that time in the heavenly places, that is in the spiritual world, is multidimensional. For example, in the Book of the Revelation we see scenes taking place on earth in human history and scenes in the heavenly places going on at the same time. Time in heaven apparently moves in the forward direction as it does on earth. For example Revelation 8:1 describes a period of silence in heaven lasting "about half an hour." But time in heaven has a quality and a pace different from time on earth.

A good example of an event occurring in "eternity" is found in the Gospels: one day Jesus stepped up to the top of Mount Mizar, a minor peak on the slopes of Mount Hermon, above Banias (ancient Caesarea Philippi) in northern Israel and was transfigured before His frightened disciples, Peter, James, and John. Appearing with Him (about 30 AD) were Moses (from about 1400 BC) and Elijah, (who was translated into heaven without seeing death about 850 BC). All were alive and well, as if contemporaries, oblivious to the years that had separated them by our way of reckoning time.

This incident (recorded in Luke 9:28-36; Matthew 17:1-8; and Mark 9:2-8) shows that all the usual rules and constraints of time (as we commonly think of them) were momentarily lifted. Thus, it was not only possible for men from ancient times to appear alive in the presence of the disciples of Jesus, but also for Jesus to assume His glorified body all at the same "time."

Hence IT IS FINISHED.

In Genesis when God spoke to Abraham He said "I HAVE MADE you a father of nations" before Sarai ever concieved.  God spoke it, it was done.   God operates out of eternity, we operate in the constraints of time and flesh.  At death when we break out of these flesh bodies, we will also break out of this linear time as we know it and enter eternity, where indeed IT IS FINISHED.

[Valid Name]

Greetings Bernie,

I am sorry that I did not see your reply sooner.  I have recently began a new job and have little time to post...I may even fall asleep on the keyboard.

One thing I hope to 'enlighten' people with is to look 'behind' the scriptures.  'WHY' did this happen...'WHY' did Babylon destroy the temple...'WHY' did the sun stand still.  There are many reasons for 'WHY' things happen.

In my opinion, the Red Heifer is very simple and gets the point across.

The Ashes of the Heifer (Numbers 19) are symbolic of Messiah's death.  Paul says that Messiah suffered outside the camp (just as the Heifer), and that his death was a burning (Just as the heifer is burned.  Suffering is a type of 'burning'.

Now Messiah died, and so did the heifer.  Messiah had a body, the Heifer had ashes.  They are the same basically.  The ashes had to be put into a clean vessel (Messiah was buried in a NEW tomb) and any vessel with no cover is unclean (Num 19:9).  Messiah subsequently had a stone rolled over the opening of the tomb.

Now both were dead.  Messiah laid in his tomb as the Heifer did the vessel.  Now Running Water (vs 17) had to be added to the ashes of the Heifer.  It is VERY interesting to note that the Literal hebrew word for 'running' is 'LIVING'.  So LIVING WATER had to be added to the ashes of the heifer.

Was LIVING WATER added to the dead body of Messiah? What is LIVING WATER?  He who believes shall flow LIVING WATER out of his belly and he shall have ETERNAL LIFE. Did Messiah not have ETERNAL LIFE/LIVING WATER added to him in the grave as the heifer has his living water added to him in the vessel?  Hence, Moses wrote about Messiah's death, burial and ressurection many years before it occured.  As John relates 'for they knew not the scripture that he must raise from the dead'.  

WHY was numbers 19:17 written?  To tell us that Messiah would RAISE from the dead.  

Sincerely,

Valid Name