Where did all the resurrected saints go?

[nebula]

There are a couple of recorded conversations with these resurrected one's in Scripture: one is found in Mark 16:5 and the other is Acts 1:10.

Mark 16:5 - Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe ; and they were amazed.

Acts 1:10 - And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them.

Well, you are the first person I have heard claim these men to be something other than angels.

Also, we have in Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him," which is a picture of the ascension of the Lord Jesus. I suppose the questions we would pose to the Lord would then be what or who are these "clouds of heaven" and who are "they" that brought Him near before Him?

Most translations don't have the "they" mentioned:

See here

Botz, do you know Hebrew enough to see if the "they" belongs there?

[sdktlk]

There are a couple of recorded conversations with these resurrected one's in Scripture: one is found in Mark 16:5 and the other is Acts 1:10.

Mark 16:5 - Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe ; and they were amazed.

Acts 1:10 - And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them.

Well, you are the first person I have heard claim these men to be something other than angels.

Also, we have in Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him," which is a picture of the ascension of the Lord Jesus. I suppose the questions we would pose to the Lord would then be what or who are these "clouds of heaven" and who are "they" that brought Him near before Him?

Most translations don't have the "they" mentioned:

See here

Botz, do you know Hebrew enough to see if the "they" belongs there?

I don't of myself call them anything other than angels (angelos) but in Mark 16:5 it states clearly, "a young man" and the Greek word there is neaniskos, which means "a young man under forty." And in Acts 1:10 "two men" is the Greek word aner meaning "man." We can also see "two men" (aner) in Luke 24:4.

[Bold Believer]

Eph 4:8 Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."

The resurrected saints ascended into heaven with Christ. They were captive to the grave, unable to ascend because there was no one to take away their sin to allow them into the Presence of God, but when Christ died His Blood cleared the way and His Resurrection brought them up because he descended into the Grave (Sheol/Hades) and preached to them while He was there.

1Pe 3:18, 19 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the [fn] spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,

The righteous went with Christ when he rose from the grave, the wicked remained in hell to await the final judgment.

[sdktlk]

Eph 4:8 Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."

The resurrected saints ascended into heaven with Christ. They were captive to the grave, unable to ascend because there was no one to take away their sin to allow them into the Presence of God, but when Christ died His Blood cleared the way and His Resurrection brought them up because he descended into the Grave (Sheol/Hades) and preached to them while He was there.

1Pe 3:18, 19 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the [fn] spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,

The righteous went with Christ when he rose from the grave, the wicked remained in hell to await the final judgment.

You just quoted, “...When He ascended on high He led captive a host of captives...” (Eph 4:8) and, this being the case, we should be able to see this event. Let us therefore take a look at Acts 1:9. “...And when He (Jesus) had spoken these things, while they ( the disciples) beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight...” We need to define two items here.

1) Taken up - in the Greek epairō, meaning to lift, to raise (Vine's Expository Dictionary.)

2) Received - in the Greek is, hupolambanō, meaning to take from below, that is, carry upward (Strong's

Concordance.) To take or bear up (hupo, “under.”) Vine's Expository Dictionary.

Here, in Acts 1:9, is the only place in the New Testament where the Greek word hupolambanō is translated received. Walter Bauer's A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Christian Literature translates thus: “...a cloud took Him up, out of their sight...” Now, using the proper definitions, let us look at this verse again and see if we can see what it really says.

“...While they beheld, He was lifted, He was raised up, and a cloud carried Him, a cloud took Him upward from beneath out of their sight...” (Acts 1:9)

Edited January 3, 2011 by sdktlk

[Botz]

There are a couple of recorded conversations with these resurrected one's in Scripture: one is found in Mark 16:5 and the other is Acts 1:10.

Mark 16:5 - Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe ; and they were amazed.

Acts 1:10 - And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them.

Well, you are the first person I have heard claim these men to be something other than angels.

Also, we have in Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him," which is a picture of the ascension of the Lord Jesus. I suppose the questions we would pose to the Lord would then be what or who are these "clouds of heaven" and who are "they" that brought Him near before Him?

Most translations don't have the "they" mentioned:

See here

Botz, do you know Hebrew enough to see if the "they" belongs there?

Hi Neb, yes of course no problem....

First of all here is one of those other translations (NASB)

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[Botz]

There are a couple of recorded conversations with these resurrected one's in Scripture: one is found in Mark 16:5 and the other is Acts 1:10. Also, we have in Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him," which is a picture of the ascension of the Lord Jesus. I suppose the questions we would pose to the Lord would then be what or who are these "clouds of heaven" and who are "they" that brought Him near before Him?

Hi sdktlk, I really can't see any connection at all between Mark 16:5: Acts 1:10 and trying to connect them to those that came out of their graves when the L-rd was crucified....unless you are trying to suggest that some of them wandered over to the Tomb and made themselves useful?

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Lazarus was raised from the Grave as well, after having been completely dead, and according to tradition went on to live a normal life and died going on to his reward in Christ Jesus. His death conveyed the Lord's Glory and a fuller Revelation.

I'm not certain what the OP is trying to convey.

Peace

Dave

[Matthitjah]

P.S.

Mt 27:52

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints that slept arose,

Mt 27:53

And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

We're really left with speculation at this point because Scripture is unclear and to assign them the status of an Angel is ridiculous because Christ Himself states that we will be like the Angel's, not become an Angel.

Were these recent converts or Old Testament Saint's? I'm certain that they must have been recent deaths because people saw them and knew who they were. If they were Old Testament Saint's it would have caused quite a stir.

Peace,

Dave

[sdktlk]

There are a couple of recorded conversations with these resurrected one's in Scripture: one is found in Mark 16:5 and the other is Acts 1:10. Also, we have in Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him," which is a picture of the ascension of the Lord Jesus. I suppose the questions we would pose to the Lord would then be what or who are these "clouds of heaven" and who are "they" that brought Him near before Him?

Hi sdktlk, I really can't see any connection at all between Mark 16:5: Acts 1:10 and trying to connect them to those that came out of their graves when the L-rd was crucified....unless you are trying to suggest that some of them wandered over to the Tomb and made themselves useful?

Hi Botz

The connection is in response to the term "re-animation" giving the impression that those which were resurrected were something less than totally glorified saints. These Scriptures simply fill up the picture of those who got up at the time of the Lord's Resurrection. And the original question was where did they go? Please do examine Acts 1:9, as those that were resurrected can certainly be seen going with the Lord on that day if the verse is interpreted properly. The main reason we need to see them is that the words "cloud" and "clouds" hold a prominent place in Scripture dealing with what we see with respect to the Lord in the New Testament.

Also, in Daniel, "the clouds" are present in every translation and in most instances, as you stated, there is the distinct impression that the Son of man was led, escorted, presented. So, the question remains, "by whom?"

Edited January 4, 2011 by sdktlk

[Matthitjah]

There are a couple of recorded conversations with these resurrected one's in Scripture: one is found in Mark 16:5 and the other is Acts 1:10. Also, we have in Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him," which is a picture of the ascension of the Lord Jesus. I suppose the questions we would pose to the Lord would then be what or who are these "clouds of heaven" and who are "they" that brought Him near before Him?

Hi sdktlk, I really can't see any connection at all between Mark 16:5: Acts 1:10 and trying to connect them to those that came out of their graves when the L-rd was crucified....unless you are trying to suggest that some of them wandered over to the Tomb and made themselves useful?

Hi Botz

The connection is in response to the term "re-animation" giving the impression that those which were resurrected were something less than totally glorified saints. These Scriptures simply fill up the picture of those who got up at the time of the Lord's Resurrection. And the original question was where did they go? Please do examine Acts 1:9, as those that were resurrected can certainly be seen going with the Lord on that day if the verse is interpreted properly. The main reason we need to see them is that the words "cloud" and "clouds" hold a prominent place in Scripture dealing with what we see with respect to the Lord in the New Testament.

I know you're conversing with Brother Botz.

I want to interject here on your point from Acts 1:9.

You'll have to also convey that Luke meant two ressurected men here;

Lu 24:4

And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed about this, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

Two men is a like literary tool in Luke to convey angel's.

The account in Matthew 28 indicates that it was an Angel who rolled back the stone and spoke to Mary. What we have in the differing accounts is merely a re-telling of the story by various individuals but all convey the same message and Matthew 28 corroborates and defines for us the account and the who.

I would like to ask where you are going with this?

peace,

dave