RevelationWriter Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 608 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 19, 2011 ~ With over 850 Scriptures of Jerusalem. Most are Prophetic. Within Prophecy Jerusalem is called many things. * Earthly Jerusalem Is Referred To In As 'The Camp': "..give thanks and to praise in the gates of The Camp 0f The Lord." - 2Chro.31:2 "Therefore LET us go forth to Jesus bearing His Reproach outside The Camp. For Here we have No Continuing City but we seek the one to come." - Heb.13:13,14 "They went up to The Breadth 0f The Earth and surrounded The Camp 0f The Saints and The Beloved City." - Rev.20:9 * Two Jerusalems Referred As Two Women Of Two Covenants: Earthly Jerusalem the Bond-Woman births according to The Flesh. Cast out The Bond-Woman. As her sons shall not inherit with the sons of the Free-woman. Heavenly Jerusalem the Free-Woman Births according to the Spirit. She is the mother of us all. So then brethern we are not children of the Bond-Woman but of The Free Woman. - Gal.4:23:31 * Jesus Said: "In My Father's House There Are Many Mansions...I Go To Prepare A Place For You." - John.14 Jerusalem above is The Father's House where the Many Mansions are. As Heavenly Jerusalem is called 'Temple OF God' 'Tabernacle OF God'. - Rev.15:5, Rev.21:3 Jesus went there to make Heavely Jerusalem "New" Although there's no Temple IN New Jerusalem For Us but OF Almighty God and The Lamb. New Jerusalem is still God's Temple, His Tabernacle, His House. Our Manisions are In His House The City New Jerusalem. But THEIR our Temple In New Jerusalem. To be continued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 19, 2011 ~ With over 850 Scriptures of Jerusalem. Most are Prophetic. Within Prophecy Jerusalem is called many things. * Earthly Jerusalem Is Referred To In As 'The Camp': "..give thanks and to praise in the gates of The Camp 0f The Lord." - 2Chro.31:2 "Therefore LET us go forth to Jesus bearing His Reproach outside The Camp. For Here we have No Continuing City but we seek the one to come." - Heb.13:13,14 "They went up to The Breadth 0f The Earth and surrounded The Camp 0f The Saints and The Beloved City." - Rev.20:9 * Two Jerusalems Referred As Two Women Of Two Covenants: Earthly Jerusalem the Bond-Woman births according to The Flesh. Cast out The Bond-Woman. As her sons shall not inherit with the sons of the Free-woman. Heavenly Jerusalem the Free-Woman Births according to the Spirit. She is the mother of us all. So then brethern we are not children of the Bond-Woman but of The Free Woman. - Gal.4:23:31 * Jesus Said: "In My Father's House There Are Many Mansions...I Go To Prepare A Place For You." - John.14 Jerusalem above is The Father's House where the Many Mansions are. As Heavenly Jerusalem is called 'Temple OF God' 'Tabernacle OF God'. - Rev.15:5, Rev.21:3 Jesus went there to make Heavely Jerusalem "New" Although there's no Temple IN New Jerusalem For Us but OF Almighty God and The Lamb. New Jerusalem is still God's Temple, His Tabernacle, His House. Our Manisions are In His House The City New Jerusalem. But THEIR our Temple In New Jerusalem. To be continued... Amen. I see it written, "While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal." (2Cor 4:18) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Classic Replacement Theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 19, 2011 * Earthly Jerusalem Is Referred To In As 'The Camp': "..give thanks and to praise in the gates of The Camp 0f The Lord." - 2Chro.31:2 "Therefore LET us go forth to Jesus bearing His Reproach outside The Camp. For Here we have No Continuing City but we seek the one to come." - Heb.13:13,14 "They went up to The Breadth 0f The Earth and surrounded The Camp 0f The Saints and The Beloved City." - Rev.20:9 That sounds more like the Temple than the city of Jerusalem. Note Rev. 20:9 says Camp of the Saints AND the Beloved City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 19, 2011 * Earthly Jerusalem Is Referred To In As 'The Camp': "..give thanks and to praise in the gates of The Camp 0f The Lord." - 2Chro.31:2 "Therefore LET us go forth to Jesus bearing His Reproach outside The Camp. For Here we have No Continuing City but we seek the one to come." - Heb.13:13,14 "They went up to The Breadth 0f The Earth and surrounded The Camp 0f The Saints and The Beloved City." - Rev.20:9 That sounds more like the Temple than the city of Jerusalem. Note Rev. 20:9 says Camp of the Saints AND the Beloved City. Here comes my nose Neb. The Temple, the city, one or both...is not what is being spoken of here a LONG time off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Note Rev. 20:9 says Camp of the Saints AND the Beloved City. Here comes my nose Neb. Noses are for smelling. The Temple, the city, one or both...is not what is being spoken of here a LONG time off? You do not believe the Temple Ezekiel measured beginning in Chapter 40 is the Temple that will exist during the Millennium, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Within Prophecy Jerusalem is called many things. * Earthly Jerusalem Is Referred To In As 'The Camp': "..give thanks and to praise in the gates of The Camp 0f The Lord." - 2Chro.31:2 And Hezekiah appointed the divisions of the priests and of the Levites, division by division, each according to his service, the priests and the Levites, for burnt offerings and peace offerings, to minister in the gates of the camp of the LORD and to give thanks and praise. (2Chro 31:2) That is not "prophetic" so I don't know why you are presenting it as such. Furthermore, it is not being used in this vere to refer to Jerusalem. The word is never used to refer to Jerusalem. "Therefore LET us go forth to Jesus bearing His Reproach outside The Camp. For Here we have No Continuing City but we seek the one to come." - Heb.13:13,14 This is an allusion to the encampments of the Israelites in the desert, not to Jerusalem. "They went up to The Breadth 0f The Earth and surrounded The Camp 0f The Saints and The Beloved City." - Rev.20:9 Again, the verbiage separates the the "camp of the saints" from the city of Jerusalem. * Two Jerusalems Referred As Two Women Of Two Covenants: Earthly Jerusalem the Bond-Woman births according to The Flesh. Cast out The Bond-Woman. As her sons shall not inherit with the sons of the Free-woman. Heavenly Jerusalem the Free-Woman Births according to the Spirit. She is the mother of us all. So then brethern we are not children of the Bond-Woman but of The Free Woman. - Gal.4:23:31 Paul is simply drawing an allegory using earthly and heavenly Jerusalem. He is using one to illustrate the Mosaic Covenant and the other illustrates the New Covenant. He is confronting the judaizing heresies that infiltrated the Galatian congregation. He is combatting the notion that one must be a member of earthly Jerusalem, i.e. convert to the Jewish religion in addition to believing in Jesus to be saved. * Jesus Said: "In My Father's House There Are Many Mansions...I Go To Prepare A Place For You." - John.14 Jerusalem above is The Father's House where the Many Mansions are. As Heavenly Jerusalem is called 'Temple OF God' 'Tabernacle OF God'. - Rev.15:5, Rev.21:3 Jesus went there to make Heavely Jerusalem "New" Although there's no Temple IN New Jerusalem For Us but OF Almighty God and The Lamb. New Jerusalem is still God's Temple, His Tabernacle, His House. Our Manisions are In His House The City New Jerusalem. But THEIR our Temple In New Jerusalem. What is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzdy Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,911 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted January 19, 2011 * Earthly Jerusalem Is Referred To In As 'The Camp': "..give thanks and to praise in the gates of The Camp 0f The Lord." - 2Chro.31:2 "Therefore LET us go forth to Jesus bearing His Reproach outside The Camp. For Here we have No Continuing City but we seek the one to come." - Heb.13:13,14 "They went up to The Breadth 0f The Earth and surrounded The Camp 0f The Saints and The Beloved City." - Rev.20:9 That sounds more like the Temple than the city of Jerusalem. Note Rev. 20:9 says Camp of the Saints AND the Beloved City. Here comes my nose Neb. The Temple, the city, one or both...is not what is being spoken of here a LONG time off? The camp is not the city, lets start in 2 Chron. 31:2, gates are openings in the tent structures as there is no temple it had been destroyed the city had been destroyed and Hezekiah was rebuilding the walls, etc. The camp is not the city the camp are the people and that is what we see throughout when camp is used. Rev. 20 we see that God's camp of people and the city, two distinct items, the advesary is going after God's people but is defeated by Yeshua. Your take on Gal. 4 makes no sense to me what has it do to with Jerusalem? What is being said here in Gal. is whats called a midrash, taking about the two covenants one freedom in Messiah to follow Torah freely with no condemnation, the other to follow in some type of legalistic nature of Torah, we are not under the dominion of sin on our lives is what this is saying. Where do you get Jerusalem as some kind of 'spiritually spoken Jersualem'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 19, 2011 Note Rev. 20:9 says Camp of the Saints AND the Beloved City. Here comes my nose Neb. Noses are for smelling. The Temple, the city, one or both...is not what is being spoken of here a LONG time off? You do not believe the Temple Ezekiel measured beginning in Chapter 40 is the Temple that will exist during the Millennium, do you? I do believe a Temple will exist during the millennium, its just that you see a natural House and I see a spiritual House. For we know, "the most High dwells not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is My footstool: what House will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?" (Acts 7:48-49) Yet somehow we've come to think that the Lord Jesus is going to come and live in a natural temple built by men for a thousand years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 19, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I do believe a Temple will exist during the millennium, its just that you see a natural House and I see a spiritual House. For we know, "the most High dwells not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is My footstool: what House will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?" (Acts 7:48-49) Yet somehow we've come to think that the Lord Jesus is going to come and live in a natural temple built by men for a thousand years. OK then, I have a challenge for you. Would you please relay the spirituality of the many, many details laid out in Ezekiel of the dimensions and rooms and contents of the Temple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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