The Black Legend

[munari]

I heard about this TV special on the radio and decided to do some net research, this article was something I found. Thought it would be interesting to share:

http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/Do...6/article4.html

In a related topic, I also found this:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/ZCRUSADE.HTM

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

Eph writes..

Isn't it fun to just re-write history..blot out the parts you don't like..Or the parts that maybe make you look bad..!

Then close your eyes and take the OSTRICH approach to scholarship and history by sticking your head in the sand..??

Thats a short synopsis of the Roman Branch of the Christian Church..Then after awhile..oh say 3 or 4 hundred yrs..You can just deny the whole thing ever happened..

Ignorance is bliss I've heard it said..!

What sayest thou...?

LOL  

[munari]

I sayest that if you look at the FIRST article, it wasn't written about a Catholic perspective, the video that the article refers to was done by the BBC, which is the BRITISH BROADCASTING COMPANY. Britain is NOT mostly Catholic, they would have no reason of their own to make the Catholic Church look good since they split MANY years ago, they are mostly Anglican. SO, what they have to say carries some weight. It was the BBC, not the Roman Catholic Church who made that documentary. The second was just something I ran acrossed in the process of looking up the Black Legend...

I sayest that you should research ALL aspects of a historical view, not just one.

[Guest Jipsah]

I don't know that much about the inquisition, but the stuff about the crusades is dead on.  The crusades were a fight to free the Holy Land from Islamic invaders who had conquered what had been Christian countries.  If the crusaders had ever managed to take Damascus, that part of the world would probably still be Christian, and Islam would probably have dropped off the map.

[munari]

People fail to realize that the "Crusades" were also about going over to rescue family members who were basically being held hostage by a non-Christian invading army...

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

Eph replies...

The "order" known as the Holy OFFICE...Is still in place as we speak..It's never been done away with..by the Roman branch of the Christian Church Munari..So since the 13th cen.  Rome still gives it it's stamp of approval..

Needless to say YOU do too..as a current member of that group..!

I noticed each link you provided was Catholic in nature...EWTN..and Catholic .net...

Now honestly Munari..!  

Do you really think that a group that currently still supports murder of people who refuse to convert to Rome....Would actually post anything on their OWN web pages that was against them or even neutral to the Catholic "sect" position..!

Munari writes..

I sayest that you should research ALL aspects of a historical view, not just one.

Eph laughing says..

I'll do it AGAIN..when you do it the first time...!  Hows that Munrai..!  LOL  

[munari]

Eph,

Those are Catholic websites, but the BBC is not a Catholic organization.

Here is what I found about the "Holy Office":

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01799a.htm

To me, it sounds like something any church would do if there were dissenters in their ranks.

And Eph, if you don't want to expand your own knowledge on a topic, that is fine with me. As I said, I posted this because I found it interesting. Until I heard about this, I thought as you, that the people in the Church at that time were guilty of what happened, these people at the BBC suggest otherwise. I think its something that I and everyone else should investigate in the interest of knowing the truth and not just accepting what these historians are calling a fabrication as the truth.

[Guest astralis]

Eph replies...

The "order" known as the Holy OFFICE...Is still in place as we speak..It's never been done away with..by the Roman branch of the Christian Church Munari..So since the 13th cen.

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

astralis says..

If someone asks for forgiveness, do you give it to them?  If you didn't know, the Pope has asked for forgiveness for the sins of others in the Catholic Church.

Eph replies...

Sorry but since that "office" is STILL in effect..They haven't done what you say here above..! SO they must still be "judged" to be in error till they disband such an evil "office" of death...!  

Astralis writes..

You know, the states in the US that supported slavery are still around - the same exact institutions, although I don't think they still support slavery.

Eph writes...

Sounds good..Totally wrong though...

Those STATES no longer enforce those laws..Nor do they claim they are "still good" They have changed the laws on slavery and DONE AWAY with them and rightfully so...So remember Slavery was outlawed in the USA..!

...The RCC still fully supports this "office"..totally..They never denied it existed NOR did they ever outlaw it or disband it....It exists today as much as it did back then..They just don't KILL people anymore..( Or yet if you read Revelation )..!!!

Quite different wouldn't you now agree..???

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

Munari says...!

Those are Catholic websites, but the BBC is not a Catholic organization.

Eph writes...

Then give a link to the BBC will ya..?? So we can see what THEY wrote..!

(( Ever hear about "circular reasoning" Munari )