Yzraela Posted June 29, 2011 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/16/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2011 What do you mean by sanctified trangression? I'm sad for lying on something just to help some people dear to me.. When I confided this to my sister, she said what I did is a sanctified transgression 'cause I made them to help the poorest of the poor.... Can you help me figure this out, please? Please pray for me, too....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodetoad Posted June 29, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 86 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/14/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/06/1953 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I can't understand what you are asking. I tried to look up sanctified transgression, and couldn't find anything. If your conscience is bothering you, it sounds like your helpful lie might have more serious consequences than telling someone they look great when they don't. So you may have some cleaning up to do. I'll pray for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted June 29, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2011 Are you taking about using deception in a good way, like what Jehu did to the prophets of Baal in 2 Ki 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzraela Posted June 29, 2011 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/16/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Are you taking about using deception in a good way, like what Jehu did to the prophets of Baal in 2 Ki 10? ~Candice~: Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say..... Another example is Rebekah... and when Jacob deceptively gained the blessing of Isaac.. Jodetoad: Thank you... I need prayers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted June 29, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2011 Are you taking about using deception in a good way, like what Jehu did to the prophets of Baal in 2 Ki 10? ~Candice~: Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say..... Another example is Rebekah... and when Jacob deceptively gained the blessing of Isaac.. Hey don't you just hate those catch 22 situations? I am very very hesitant to lie to bring about a greater gain, and the Spirit would have to be screaming at me like a banshee in order for me to defend my actions if I did it. However, I do believe there is scope in scripture, as we saw with Jehu, to (with absolutely pure motive, and direction from Him) lie in order to do what He commands. One place this has been discussed is whether or not we would tell the truth if there were a Jew hiding in our house during the holocaust. Would we lie to save a life? Probably, yes, but we would check our motives so often to make sure they were of Him, becoming almost paranoid about taking grace for granted. So yes, I think "sanctified transgression" may exist, but very rarely and not something that should form a regular part of our Christian experience. I'll probably be crucified for saying this . God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzraela Posted June 30, 2011 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/16/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 Are you taking about using deception in a good way, like what Jehu did to the prophets of Baal in 2 Ki 10? ~Candice~: Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say..... Another example is Rebekah... and when Jacob deceptively gained the blessing of Isaac.. Hey don't you just hate those catch 22 situations? I am very very hesitant to lie to bring about a greater gain, and the Spirit would have to be screaming at me like a banshee in order for me to defend my actions if I did it. However, I do believe there is scope in scripture, as we saw with Jehu, to (with absolutely pure motive, and direction from Him) lie in order to do what He commands. One place this has been discussed is whether or not we would tell the truth if there were a Jew hiding in our house during the holocaust. Would we lie to save a life? Probably, yes, but we would check our motives so often to make sure they were of Him, becoming almost paranoid about taking grace for granted. So yes, I think "sanctified transgression" may exist, but very rarely and not something that should form a regular part of our Christian experience. I'll probably be crucified for saying this . God bless Got your point.. Thank you, ~Candice~ - May God bless you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted June 30, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2011 This thread might help: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
methinkshe Posted June 30, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 679 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/02/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2011 Are you taking about using deception in a good way, like what Jehu did to the prophets of Baal in 2 Ki 10? ~Candice~: Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say..... Another example is Rebekah... and when Jacob deceptively gained the blessing of Isaac.. Hey don't you just hate those catch 22 situations? I am very very hesitant to lie to bring about a greater gain, and the Spirit would have to be screaming at me like a banshee in order for me to defend my actions if I did it. However, I do believe there is scope in scripture, as we saw with Jehu, to (with absolutely pure motive, and direction from Him) lie in order to do what He commands. One place this has been discussed is whether or not we would tell the truth if there were a Jew hiding in our house during the holocaust. Would we lie to save a life? Probably, yes, but we would check our motives so often to make sure they were of Him, becoming almost paranoid about taking grace for granted. So yes, I think "sanctified transgression" may exist, but very rarely and not something that should form a regular part of our Christian experience. I'll probably be crucified for saying this . God bless Not at all. Imo you display great wisdom. I have learned a lot from the story of Nabal and Abigail (1 Samuel 25) Motives are everything. However, like you, I'm not too sure about giving labels such as "sanctified transgression" as all too often an exception, once labelled, can become a doctrine. But I certainly recognise that sometimes the general rule needs to be broken if truth is to be established and/or maintained. It's a bit like Jesus and "the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath." And also Jesus use of a whip to drive the money changers out of the temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seriousseeker Posted June 30, 2011 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2011 What do you mean by sanctified trangression? I'm sad for lying on something just to help some people dear to me.. When I confided this to my sister, she said what I did is a sanctified transgression 'cause I made them to help the poorest of the poor.... Can you help me figure this out, please? Please pray for me, too....... I surely don't know what the issue here is, but as to the term: "sanctified transgression", I am supposing she meant that one who is sanctified (set apart for God) should not violate that high calling and lie about something. That is a transgresssion of the blessing of God. - Seriousseeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted June 30, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Catch 22 to be sure. "Let your answer be yes, yes, or no, no" Or is this out of context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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