ServingHim Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,156 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 20, 2004 Let's discuss the 'Incarnation'... anyone?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 184 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/09/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 20, 2004 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1,14 God Bless! :hug: :il: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServingHim Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,156 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 20, 2004 amen, omega! By the Incarnation Mary became the Mother of God. At the Annunciation the Archangel Gabriel said to Mary: "Thou shalt conceive and bring forth a son, he shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Most High" (Luke 1:31). If Mary's son is God, Mary is the mother of God. In fact, at the Visitation Elizabeth, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, exclaimed: "Whence is this to me that the Mother of my Lord should come to me" (Luke 1:43)? By His generation in the bosom of the heavenly Father, Christ is the true Son of God. By His generation in time from the Virgin Mary, He is the true Son of Mary. But in Christ there is only one, undivided divine Person. Hence the Son of God and the Son of Mary are one and the same Person - Christ is God, and Mary is the Mother of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServingHim Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,156 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 20, 2004 something worth noting...INCARNATION appears NO WHERE in Scripture? How do we know that "INCARNATION" means what it means? Who defined this doctrine? Why do we believe it? THE INCARNATION implies three facts: (1) The Divine Person of Jesus Christ; (2) The Human Nature of Jesus Christ; (3) The Hypostatic Union of the Human with the Divine Nature in the Divine Person of Jesus Christ. How did the 'Hypostatic Union' get defined or determined? Again, this is NOT well-defined in scripture so as one could pick up the bible and determine the same thing, especially if one is searching to find truth and they are told that the Bible is the SOLE RULE of faith and FINAL authority?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Again Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 965 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/28/1979 Share Posted September 20, 2004 By the Incarnation Mary became the Mother of God. At the Annunciation the Archangel Gabriel said to Mary: "Thou shalt conceive and bring forth a son, he shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Most High" (Luke 1:31). If Mary's son is God, Mary is the mother of God. In fact, at the Visitation Elizabeth, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, exclaimed: "Whence is this to me that the Mother of my Lord should come to me" (Luke 1:43)? By His generation in the bosom of the heavenly Father, Christ is the true Son of God. By His generation in time from the Virgin Mary, He is the true Son of Mary. But in Christ there is only one, undivided divine Person. Hence the Son of God and the Son of Mary are one and the same Person - Christ is God, and Mary is the Mother of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServingHim Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,156 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 20, 2004 born again...do you disagree? or are you confused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServingHim Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,156 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 20, 2004 The doctrine of the Incarnation of Christ is central to the traditional Christian faith as held by the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox, and most Protestants. Briefly, it is the belief that the Second Person of the Godhead, also known as the Son or the Word, "became flesh" when he was miraculously conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary. In the Incarnation, the divine nature of the Son was perfectly united with human nature in one divine Person. This person, Jesus Christ, was both "truly God and truly man." The incarnation is commemorated and celebrated each year at the Feast of the Incarnation, also known as Christmas. Importance of the Doctrine In the early Christian era many divisions broke out concerning the true nature of Christ. Christians believed that He was the Son of God. But how was He both Son of God and truly man? These disputes gave birth to certain heresies, the most serious of which were the Gnostic heresy, which stated that Jesus only appeared to be a true man; the Arian heresy, which taught that Jesus was a created being, less than God; and the Nestorian heresy, which implied that the Son of God, and the man, Jesus, shared the same body but retained two separate personhoods. The final definitions of the incarnation and the nature of Jesus were made by the early church at the Council of Ephesus and the Council of Chalcedon. These councils declared that Jesus was both fully God, begotten from the Father; and fully man, taking His flesh and human nature from the Virgin Mary. These two natures, human and divine, were hypostatically united into the one personhood of Jesus Christ. The full definition of the Incarnation is summed up in the Athanasian Creed. The significance of the Incarnation has been extensively written about throughout Christian history. It is perhaps nowhere more beautifully summed up than in the Hymn to the Only Begotten Son in the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom used by Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic believers: O only begotten Son and Word of God, Who, being immortal, deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the holy Theotokos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted September 20, 2004 ServingHim. Mary is not the mother of God. Jesus is the son of God. Mary is the mother of Jesus. The RC's exclamation at the second Ecumenical council was erroneous in my opinion. I would be happy to discuss this with you in the spirit of fellowship, but if you feel disinclined due to some perception that it is Catholic bashing, then I understand. However, don't forget that you brought it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Omega. Incarnation describes a biblical reality. There is nothing wrong with it. Anyone reading the Bible would draw the logical conclusion that Jesus is God manifested int he flesh because the Bible declares it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServingHim Posted September 20, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,156 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 20, 2004 ServingHim. Mary is not the mother of God. Jesus is the son of God. Mary is the mother of Jesus. so you deny that Jesus IS GOD? How do you separate GOD from JESUS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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