enoob57 Posted June 5, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,224 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,481 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Hi Steven. I feel as if you did not really read what I posted, and feel that you have ignored the scripture I posted and the context in which I posted it. I am going to ask if you can reread my post and consider it. I am not going to reply anymore as i care more as keeping you as a brother and a friend then being right. The only reason I tried to debate with you is that I do have a rapport with you, and I felt as if you may listen to what I had to say as you have at other times. This time has proved to not be one of those times so I do not want to push and debate with you as much as discuss. I am going to post my summery one more time. To wrap up, I believe all Christians should manage their money wisely. If they do, by the nature of how money works they will eventually become wealthy. That is to say if you spend less than you make and save money, and do not ever get into debt you will eventually become wealthy. This is not chasing riches, this is not making money the center of your life, this is slowly over time with wisdom and hard work managing the money the Lord has given to you and increasing it, just like the good steward. With this money you can then turn around and sew it into the kingdom, and be a blessing. To have wealth, just to be wealthy is putting your money where God should be is most definitely wrong. To have God at the center of your heart, and have HIs wealth to manage to take care of your family, and to give, is a wonderful thing and something many in the Church today are missing. Too many babies are being tossed out with the bathwater on this one. All we have comes from God. All our money, our basic needs, everything and we are called to be Managers of the money. So no, you should never be wealthy. This would mean it was OUR money, however it is GOD's MONEY, he owns it, we simply MANAGE it, and many mismanage it. The word is clear, those who manage well will be given more to manage. Most would see this as wealthy, however its just a greater responsibility. I came to this conclusion by studying my Bible using this method of study. I believe it to be the most accurate method of study. enoob's reply: Basically you have a false premise at the get go God did not develop the system of money! I believe it grew out of Babel/Babylon... Which is condemned and judged at the end in Revelation... Izzy I am opposed to the benign philosophy of money as the system is set for the world and anti-Christ. I believe God clearly teaches us that we are to stay away from its influence by mindset of what it really is ... that being a system not of God's concern due to its false influence of logical orders or amounts as to values! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted June 6, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2013 Strange how this thread dances around the fact that money is neither good or evil, but a means of traded value. Wealth is a collection of traded value. Does that mean that a farmer who had barns full of corn and wheat, but no money in the bank, is he still not rich? What difference doe sit matter what is valued? Does money sin? Does Gold? Silver? A barn full of corn and wheat? A child of God will know what to do with what they are given, be it a penny or a billion dollars. As long as they are following His will, there is no sin, no matter how wealthy they are. It is what is in the heart that sins ... greed, uncaring lust for more wealth while ignoring the person next to you who is in need. Not trusting in the Lord, but your wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted June 6, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2013 The Bible is silent as to how the system of money came into place. Perhaps we shouldn't read into Scripture what is not there to begin with. I agree with OneLight. It is about trusting God and not our wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.79 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2013 Just thinking about money can corrupt you http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/17/pf/money-corrupt/index.html?source=cnn_bin Simply thinking about money can trigger people to lie, steal and make unethical decisions, new research shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Just thinking about money can corrupt you http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/17/pf/money-corrupt/index.html?source=cnn_bin Simply thinking about money can trigger people to lie, steal and make unethical decisions, new research shows. 1 Timothy 6 6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 19, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,224 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,481 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The Bible is silent as to how the system of money came into place. Perhaps we shouldn't read into Scripture what is not there to begin with. I agree with OneLight. It is about trusting God and not our wealth. The system of money is, in a way, structured on the same concept as that of Babel... man's attempt to circumvent God and get there on his own means! All people merged into a system of unity with God in no way as its center! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udx Posted June 19, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 684 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 230 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/15/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2013 The Bible is silent as to how the system of money came into place. Perhaps we shouldn't read into Scripture what is not there to begin with. I agree with OneLight. It is about trusting God and not our wealth. The system of money is, in a way, structured on the same concept as that of Babel... man's attempt to circumvent God and get there on his own means! All people merged into a system of unity with God in no way as its center! Really? How else would you structure the system that allows effective trade that still have God at the center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 19, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,224 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,481 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The Bible is silent as to how the system of money came into place. Perhaps we shouldn't read into Scripture what is not there to begin with. I agree with OneLight. It is about trusting God and not our wealth. The system of money is, in a way, structured on the same concept as that of Babel... man's attempt to circumvent God and get there on his own means! All people merged into a system of unity with God in no way as its center! Really? How else would you structure the system that allows effective trade that still have God at the center? The Garden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncn Posted June 19, 2013 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 6 Topic Count: 406 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5,248 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 1,337 Days Won: 67 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2013 The Garden How many kinds of sweet flowers grow In an English country garden? We'll tell you now of some that we know Those we miss you'll surely pardon Daffodils, heart's ease and phlox Meadowsweet and lady smocks Gentian, lupin and tall hollyhocks Roses, foxgloves, snowdrops, forget-me-nots In an English country garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 19, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,224 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,481 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The Garden How many kinds of sweet flowers grow In an English country garden? We'll tell you now of some that we know Those we miss you'll surely pardon Daffodils, heart's ease and phlox Meadowsweet and lady smocks Gentian, lupin and tall hollyhocks Roses, foxgloves, snowdrops, forget-me-nots In an English country garden. Let me sing to ya.... you'll try to forget that song soon after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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