Signs of Times

[Yman48]

Matthew 24:4-12: Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. Is not this true today? Men like Rev Moon and David Kadesh have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones deceived hundreds of people, causing them to commit suicide. We have false prophets today who claim to speaking for God yet deny His Word and His precious gift of salvation.

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There seems to a new war every day. Nations have been fighting each other for millenia; but most historian will tell you that wars are increasing in number and intensity. The part "kingdom against kingdom" speaks to civil war within a country. Just this year se have seen civil war in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Oman, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Somalia. Our own country, the U.S., is split politically and violent protests are becoming the norm.

There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. In the last two years the world has experienced 20+ 7.0 or greater quakes; some in unusual places. The spring saw the largest outbreak of tornadoes recorded in US history. Hurricanes are getting fiercer. Winters are colder, summers hotter and the list of calamaties goes on and on.

Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. Across the globe Christianity is under attack. For a Christian to state his or her belief is considered intolerance against those who act contrary to God's word. A school was forced to close recently because a teacher used the bible to teach history and archaeology. The day is fast approaching when Christians will be prosecuted simply because they are Christian.

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. We have experienced a tremendous falling away of believers. Yes, some churches are growing, but in most churches there is a significant reduction in attendance. Groups like the Jesus Seminar profess to teach and preach the Word of God but then claim that the written word can't be trusted; that the Apostle Paul kidnapped the gospel, and other heresies. Yet this is not the end.

Good news! Turn to the back of the Bible and read the Revelation of Jesus Christ! You'll find that He wins!

[MorningGlory]

Matthew 24:4-12: Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. Is not this true today? Men like Rev Moon and David Kadesh have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones deceived hundreds of people, causing them to commit suicide. We have false prophets today who claim to speaking for God yet deny His Word and His precious gift of salvation.

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There seems to a new war every day. Nations have been fighting each other for millenia; but most historian will tell you that wars are increasing in number and intensity. The part "kingdom against kingdom" speaks to civil war within a country. Just this year se have seen civil war in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Oman, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Somalia. Our own country, the U.S., is split politically and violent protests are becoming the norm.

There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. In the last two years the world has experienced 20+ 7.0 or greater quakes; some in unusual places. The spring saw the largest outbreak of tornadoes recorded in US history. Hurricanes are getting fiercer. Winters are colder, summers hotter and the list of calamaties goes on and on.

Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. Across the globe Christianity is under attack. For a Christian to state his or her belief is considered intolerance against those who act contrary to God's word. A school was forced to close recently because a teacher used the bible to teach history and archaeology. The day is fast approaching when Christians will be prosecuted simply because they are Christian.

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. We have experienced a tremendous falling away of believers. Yes, some churches are growing, but in most churches there is a significant reduction in attendance. Groups like the Jesus Seminar profess to teach and preach the Word of God but then claim that the written word can't be trusted; that the Apostle Paul kidnapped the gospel, and other heresies. Yet this is not the end.

Good news! Turn to the back of the Bible and read the Revelation of Jesus Christ! You'll find that He wins!

I totally agree, Yman. These things are obvious to those of us who believe that God's word is absolute. But I would like a cite for the school that had to close down. Was that in the U.S.?

[Yman48]

Sure MornibngGlory: here is the link: My link The school is Nampa ID Classical Academy. Our federal courts have ruled numerous times that schools may use the bible as a backdrop for regular subjects as long as no proselitizing takes place. It seems the Idaho constitution disallows that. Under our laws the federal ruling would override the state law. It will be interestiong to see how this plays out.

[OldShep]

Sure MornibngGlory: here is the link: My link The school is Nampa ID Classical Academy. Our federal courts have ruled numerous times that schools may use the bible as a backdrop for regular subjects as long as no proselitizing takes place. It seems the Idaho constitution disallows that. Under our laws the federal ruling would override the state law. It will be interestiong to see how this plays out.

FYI

www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/memoranda/2011/08/15/10-35542.pdf

Dennis

[MorningGlory]

Sure MornibngGlory: here is the link: My link The school is Nampa ID Classical Academy. Our federal courts have ruled numerous times that schools may use the bible as a backdrop for regular subjects as long as no proselitizing takes place. It seems the Idaho constitution disallows that. Under our laws the federal ruling would override the state law. It will be interestiong to see how this plays out.

I read the article but can't determine if the school is private or public. The government might have a say in public schools but, basically, they will not be able to stop courses on Bible instruction. I'm happy to see the issue being addressed in court. Thanks for the link.

[Yman48]

Good morning. In reply to the decision on line from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals: In the last 11 years the Supreme Court has reviewed 208 cases from the that Circuit. The Supreme Court has reversed 80% of them; over 70 of those reversals were unanimous.Supreme Court Reversals

[PointProphetic]

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Hello and praise Jesus Christ in the highest. To Jesus Christ alone belongs all power, all praise

and all glory.

*EDIT, Sorry video links are only allowed in the video sub forum, and links to download programs are not allowed as well as that is a form of solicitation thanks!*

To Moderator: There were no download links, the program is click and use. No sign ups or no downloads.

For the very few that come to this forum (7 views since I posted it 16 hours ago.) you can use the program and see the demonstration video by using these Keywords in Google: "POINT PROPHETIC"

About this program:

In it's truest form the program shown in the video above is best described as a scientific method English language alphabet algorithm. An algorithm is any well-defined computational procedure that takes some value, or set of values, as input and produces some value, or set of values, as output. An algorithm is thus a sequence of computational steps that transform the input into the output. The 443,556 alphabets mathematically possible are arrayed numerically in such a way that through a series of IF commands using greater or lessor algorithm procedures determines the next array, or the finalization command depending on the output. When programmed correctly it produces all possible 666 solutions in an English numeric alphabet form for any word calculated, then it displays and stores the results. This is the simplest way to describe what the *edit* program does.

Quick Info

This is the Online flash Version of the *edit* 666 calculation program. It is click and use. Use the URL shown in the video to use this calculator. This program calculates for all possible 666 numeric alphabet solutions for base and progression for any word or name entered. It calculates all 443,556 alphabet systems for each word entered. The formula for the calculation routines are simply 666 squared. This would be 666 x 666 = 443,556. Whatever word you calculate this program will find every possibility within the scientific method. The definition of the scientific method in respect to this program is: (a) It does not violate the laws of mathematics. (B) It is exhaustive in its calculations in the sense it is impossible for this program to miss a 666 solution for any word in which a 666 solution is possible. Some words have no solution. © It is can be duplicated by any qualified programmer secular or Christian.

Using it correctly:

The Antichrist will be future world leader. He will not be your neighbor, your boss or anyone else you know. Any person who attacks or calls someone evil because some combination of their name calculates to 666 is not using these alphabet codes correctly. Misuse of these codes could cause someone mental or spiritual harm due to unrealistic fear. There are many other prophecies on 666 that must be considered together. You cannot determine the Antichrist by the calculation of 666 alone. See website

Typical Objections

Objection 1.

The 666 calculation prophecy of Revelation 13:16-18 must be calculated by Koine Greek or the Hebrew gematria alphabet values, because those were the languages the Bible was written in.

My Response:

Show me the scripture that states the 666 calculation prophecy of Revelation 13:18 must be calculated by the Koine Greek or Hebrew alphabet values. Many Christian Bible prophecy teachers assume because of the many second generation copies of the Gospel in the "Received Text" written and preserved in the Koine Greek that the Koine Greek gematria alphabet values must be used for the calculation prophecy of Revelation 13. This is an assumption on their part and it is also error, there is no proof in scripture that it must be calculated in the Greek or Hebrew. Also if the Koine Greek is the language to calculate with then how do we deal with the obsolete letters of Digamma, Qoppa, San, Sampi? Since the Gospel was preserved in the Koine Greek rather than Jesus' native tongue this fact does not automatically guarantee the numeric values of the Greek were in fact inspired by God especially since the Koine Greek alphabet values were established by men before Jesus' birth or his ministry on earth.

(See History of Koine Greek below) The truth might be that these men of history just picked these Greek alphabet numbers out of a hat. The Hebrew language alphabet values also presents us with enormous problems due to multiple systems and because of the fact it does not stay within the rules of "psephizo" for calculate. In the Hebrew you have four ways to calculate:

1) Absolute value, (in Hebrew: mispar hechrachi) also known as Normative value:

2) Ordinal value (in Hebrew: mispar siduri):

3)Reduced value (in Hebrew: mispar katan, modulus 9 in mathematical terminology):

4) Integral Reduced Value (in Hebrew, mispar katan mispari): (Hebr-Ref-1)| (Hebr-Ref-2| (Hebr-Ref-3|

A little history about the Koine Greek of the New Testament.

Koine Greek: The fusion of various ancient Greek dialects with Attic, the dialect of Athens, resulted in the creation of the first common Greek dialect, which became a lingua franca across Eastern Mediterranean and Near East. Koine Greek can be initially traced within the armies and conquered territories of Alexander the Great, but after the Hellenistic colonization of the known world, it was spoken from Egypt to the fringes of India. After the Roman conquest of Greece, an unofficial diglossy of Greek and Latin was established in the city of Rome and Koine Greek became a first or second language in the Roman Empire. The origin of Christianity can also be traced through Koine Greek, as the Apostles used it to preach in Greece and the Greek-speaking world. It is also known as the Alexandrian dialect, Post-Classical Greek or even New Testament Greek, as it was the original language the New Testament was written in. See the references below for more information. (Grk-Ref-1)| (Grk-Ref-2) | (Grk-Ref-3) | (Grk-Ref-4) |

Jesus did not did teach or preach anything in the Koine Greek. It is an interesting fact that there is not even one complete copy of the Gospel in Jesus' native tongue. The reason for this is obvious, God Almighty preserved his Gospel in the Koine Greek because the Koine Greek during that time was the best way to reach the masses.

There is no place in scripture that specifically states that the 666 calculation prophecy of Revelation 13:18 must be calculated in the Koine Greek, once again this is only an assumption made by many Bible prophecy teachers. You must seriously take into account and consider the possibility that the Koine Greek and Hebrew alphabet values may have been randomly assigned by men without God's influence. It would be extra Biblical to state they are divinely inspired by God without proof from scripture stating so. You could say you believe it to be true by faith, but you cannot prove it from scripture. If the Koine Greek alphabet values are not inspired by God then one can only conclude that men randomly selected the numeric values.

Understanding is required to calculate 666

Since the Koine Greek and Hebrew alphabet values were established long before Jesus' or Apostle John's birth then it becomes paramount we understand one of the requirements of Revelation 13:16-18 which is that it requires special wisdom and understanding to calculate for 666. Since the Hebrew and the Koine Greek gematria alphabet values were already well established long before the Book of Revelation was written it becomes quite obvious that no wisdom or extra understanding is required to calculate for 666 using them. In other words the Greek and Hebrew were already determined beforehand.

The wisdom and understanding requirement of scripture rules out the possibility of calculating by the Koine Greek and Hebrew because these gematria's alphabet values predate the book of Revelation.

They then are effectively ruled out by the scriptures themselves. Also the word used for calculate in the Koine Greek of Revelation 13:18 is "psephizo" (5585) which means to count as pebbles mathematically as one would do when using an abacus. This is 1's 10's 100's 1000's in progressive order mathematically. The Greek and Hebrew do not stay in pure mathematical progressive forms. They move in blocks of tens or hundreds and ignore normal mathematical progressive rules. So the standards set by psephizo also rule out Greek or Hebrew gematria's as a way to calculate for 666.

However the English alphabet values shown on this website were isolated and determined using mathematical searches and progressive mathematical calculations beginning at A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 up to A=665 B=666. The mathematical searches were used to look for designs and patterns without violating the laws of mathematics. In the English one clear pattern was found. By doing the calculation’s this way the Biblical requirements of "psephizo" were met. See the *edit* link in the side menu for more information.) Once again the Koine Greek usage of "psephizo" in this particular part of scripture is making it clear that the calculation of Revelation 13:18 would be in another language altogether or at least not in the current Greek or Hebrew gematria alphabet values. This is a fact that can be clearly seen if you understand the meaning of "psephizo" correctly and remove your personal basis and just receive the obvious meaning of the text in its proper context.

English= 444 Gematria=444 Simple=444

It will be fulfilled in English and this is the reason there are so many English Speaking countries in the world today. See the links see at the bottom as a reference, you will find English is the only language that could reach the masses in this generation. Very few countries (2) speak ancient or Modern Greek as a prominent language and Hebrew are even rarer outside of Israel. Imagine all the countries of the world learning Hebrew or the Koine Greek. English is God’s choice for this prophecy

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Objection 2:

Christians do not need the 666 prophecy to recognize Antichrist so why even bother?

My Response:

Some Christians may recognize Antichrist if they have studied and prayed on this subject but lukewarm non-serious Christians will almost surely be deceived.

The prophecies of Revelation 13 concerning the Antichrist and the false prophet are very clear. The warnings from Jesus Christ through John the beloved concerning the number 666 and the Antichrist’s future buying and selling mark are also quite clear. They are simple and to the point and need no scholarly interpretation. It says DO NOT not take the buying and selling mark of Antichrist or else! Christians who have seriously studied the Bible for themselves do not need to understand or even determine the 666 calculation prophecy of Revelation 13 to recognize the future Antichrist. So why does Jesus want us to calculate for 666 at all? I mean think about it, Christians who know the Bible will know who the Antichrist is without the 666 calculation, so why do it? The reason is simple; Jesus Christ called those with wisdom and understanding to do it.

For a Christian to say otherwise such as "It is not necessary to calculate for 666" or says "some things just cannot be known" is dangerous for the Christian who spoke it. The reason, in the first case it is disobedience to Jesus’ command to do it, plus it is taking away from the book of Revelation to say it is not necessary to calculate for 666. On the second count to say it cannot be known implies that God Almighty does not have the ability to give a person wisdom if they humbly ask for it. To say it cannot be known also makes God a liar who promised to give wisdom and understanding to any who asked. In either case I would not want to be the Christian who made these mistakes.

The scripture says the Antichrist will be an excellent peace maker. The scripture says the Antichrist will eventually have control of all nations for 42 months. The scriptures says the Antichrist will someday require all to take a buying and selling mark of allegiance to him and then someday after his mortal head wound and resurrection he will demand worship as God. The scriptures declare that God Almighty allows this Antichrist to rise because most of the population of the world has rejected the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Someday the Antichrist will walk into a rebuilt Jewish temple and desolate it by causing the continual burnt offering to cease and by claiming to be God.

Since it is clear that any sincere well studied Christian will know the future Antichrist when he rises without the 666 prophecy then why does God give the command to calculate for 666? The reason is because God wishes to reveal the design in English that points both to evil and to good as well as truth and deception, then God leaves it as a choice for the individual to make.

Remember at the end during the rise of Antichrist the scriptures declare a person will be required to choose who they will worship; it will be the worship of one or the other. Some will choose Jesus Christ and others will choose the false Christ, also called the Antichrist. Keep in mind God's design in the English covers three major religions of the world, two are still blinded and most of the other one is still sleeping.

The point of the design is CHOICE, a simple yet clear design that only Almighty God could create.

Remember the Antichrist will be "allowed" to display many forms of supernatural power, some of them being quite impressive. This is another reason for the design as well, regardless of supernatural ability if any person does not sincerely claim Jesus Christ as Lord and King then they will be destroyed by Jesus Christ and his Holy Angels at his coming and for worshiping the false Christ as their God.

Any person who seriously studies the design in the English to the level they know God has done it "without doubt" then it becomes clear that God still wants a person to believe by faith not intellect alone. Not blind faith mind you, but faith that God Almighty has created the English language design to reveal choice and to warn all that the end times of Revelation are nearing and this time it is not a false alarm, so choose well.

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Edited October 1, 2011 by PointProphetic
Video/solicitation

[Bold Believer]

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Hello and praise Jesus Christ in the highest. To Jesus Christ alone belongs all power, all praise

and all glory.

*EDIT, Sorry video links are only allowed in the video sub forum, and links to download programs are not allowed as well as that is a form of solicitation thanks!*

To Moderator: There were no download links, the program is click and use. No sign ups or no downloads.

For the very few that come to this forum (7 views since I posted it 16 hours ago.) you can use the program and see the demonstration video by using these Keywords in Google: "POINT PROPHETIC"

About this program:

In it's truest form the program shown in the video above is best described as a scientific method English language alphabet algorithm. An algorithm is any well-defined computational procedure that takes some value, or set of values, as input and produces some value, or set of values, as output. An algorithm is thus a sequence of computational steps that transform the input into the output. The 443,556 alphabets mathematically possible are arrayed numerically in such a way that through a series of IF commands using greater or lessor algorithm procedures determines the next array, or the finalization command depending on the output. When programmed correctly it produces all possible 666 solutions in an English numeric alphabet form for any word calculated, then it displays and stores the results. This is the simplest way to describe what the *edit* program does.

Quick Info

This is the Online flash Version of the *edit* 666 calculation program. It is click and use. Use the URL shown in the video to use this calculator. This program calculates for all possible 666 numeric alphabet solutions for base and progression for any word or name entered. It calculates all 443,556 alphabet systems for each word entered. The formula for the calculation routines are simply 666 squared. This would be 666 x 666 = 443,556. Whatever word you calculate this program will find every possibility within the scientific method. The definition of the scientific method in respect to this program is: (a) It does not violate the laws of mathematics. (B) It is exhaustive in its calculations in the sense it is impossible for this program to miss a 666 solution for any word in which a 666 solution is possible. Some words have no solution. © It is can be duplicated by any qualified programmer secular or Christian.

Using it correctly:

The Antichrist will be future world leader. He will not be your neighbor, your boss or anyone else you know. Any person who attacks or calls someone evil because some combination of their name calculates to 666 is not using these alphabet codes correctly. Misuse of these codes could cause someone mental or spiritual harm due to unrealistic fear. There are many other prophecies on 666 that must be considered together. You cannot determine the Antichrist by the calculation of 666 alone. See website

Typical Objections

Objection 1.

The 666 calculation prophecy of Revelation 13:16-18 must be calculated by Koine Greek or the Hebrew gematria alphabet values, because those were the languages the Bible was written in.

My Response:

Show me the scripture that states the 666 calculation prophecy of Revelation 13:18 must be calculated by the Koine Greek or Hebrew alphabet values. Many Christian Bible prophecy teachers assume because of the many second generation copies of the Gospel in the "Received Text" written and preserved in the Koine Greek that the Koine Greek gematria alphabet values must be used for the calculation prophecy of Revelation 13. This is an assumption on their part and it is also error, there is no proof in scripture that it must be calculated in the Greek or Hebrew. Also if the Koine Greek is the language to calculate with then how do we deal with the obsolete letters of Digamma, Qoppa, San, Sampi? Since the Gospel was preserved in the Koine Greek rather than Jesus' native tongue this fact does not automatically guarantee the numeric values of the Greek were in fact inspired by God especially since the Koine Greek alphabet values were established by men before Jesus' birth or his ministry on earth.

(See History of Koine Greek below) The truth might be that these men of history just picked these Greek alphabet numbers out of a hat. The Hebrew language alphabet values also presents us with enormous problems due to multiple systems and because of the fact it does not stay within the rules of "psephizo" for calculate. In the Hebrew you have four ways to calculate:

1) Absolute value, (in Hebrew: mispar hechrachi) also known as Normative value:

2) Ordinal value (in Hebrew: mispar siduri):

3)Reduced value (in Hebrew: mispar katan, modulus 9 in mathematical terminology):

4) Integral Reduced Value (in Hebrew, mispar katan mispari): (Hebr-Ref-1)| (Hebr-Ref-2| (Hebr-Ref-3|

A little history about the Koine Greek of the New Testament.

Koine Greek: The fusion of various ancient Greek dialects with Attic, the dialect of Athens, resulted in the creation of the first common Greek dialect, which became a lingua franca across Eastern Mediterranean and Near East. Koine Greek can be initially traced within the armies and conquered territories of Alexander the Great, but after the Hellenistic colonization of the known world, it was spoken from Egypt to the fringes of India. After the Roman conquest of Greece, an unofficial diglossy of Greek and Latin was established in the city of Rome and Koine Greek became a first or second language in the Roman Empire. The origin of Christianity can also be traced through Koine Greek, as the Apostles used it to preach in Greece and the Greek-speaking world. It is also known as the Alexandrian dialect, Post-Classical Greek or even New Testament Greek, as it was the original language the New Testament was written in. See the references below for more information. (Grk-Ref-1)| (Grk-Ref-2) | (Grk-Ref-3) | (Grk-Ref-4) |

Jesus did not did teach or preach anything in the Koine Greek. It is an interesting fact that there is not even one complete copy of the Gospel in Jesus' native tongue. The reason for this is obvious, God Almighty preserved his Gospel in the Koine Greek because the Koine Greek during that time was the best way to reach the masses.

There is no place in scripture that specifically states that the 666 calculation prophecy of Revelation 13:18 must be calculated in the Koine Greek, once again this is only an assumption made by many Bible prophecy teachers. You must seriously take into account and consider the possibility that the Koine Greek and Hebrew alphabet values may have been randomly assigned by men without God's influence. It would be extra Biblical to state they are divinely inspired by God without proof from scripture stating so. You could say you believe it to be true by faith, but you cannot prove it from scripture. If the Koine Greek alphabet values are not inspired by God then one can only conclude that men randomly selected the numeric values.

Understanding is required to calculate 666

Since the Koine Greek and Hebrew alphabet values were established long before Jesus' or Apostle John's birth then it becomes paramount we understand one of the requirements of Revelation 13:16-18 which is that it requires special wisdom and understanding to calculate for 666. Since the Hebrew and the Koine Greek gematria alphabet values were already well established long before the Book of Revelation was written it becomes quite obvious that no wisdom or extra understanding is required to calculate for 666 using them. In other words the Greek and Hebrew were already determined beforehand.

The wisdom and understanding requirement of scripture rules out the possibility of calculating by the Koine Greek and Hebrew because these gematria's alphabet values predate the book of Revelation.

They then are effectively ruled out by the scriptures themselves. Also the word used for calculate in the Koine Greek of Revelation 13:18 is "psephizo" (5585) which means to count as pebbles mathematically as one would do when using an abacus. This is 1's 10's 100's 1000's in progressive order mathematically. The Greek and Hebrew do not stay in pure mathematical progressive forms. They move in blocks of tens or hundreds and ignore normal mathematical progressive rules. So the standards set by psephizo also rule out Greek or Hebrew gematria's as a way to calculate for 666.

However the English alphabet values shown on this website were isolated and determined using mathematical searches and progressive mathematical calculations beginning at A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 up to A=665 B=666. The mathematical searches were used to look for designs and patterns without violating the laws of mathematics. In the English one clear pattern was found. By doing the calculation’s this way the Biblical requirements of "psephizo" were met. See the *edit* link in the side menu for more information.) Once again the Koine Greek usage of "psephizo" in this particular part of scripture is making it clear that the calculation of Revelation 13:18 would be in another language altogether or at least not in the current Greek or Hebrew gematria alphabet values. This is a fact that can be clearly seen if you understand the meaning of "psephizo" correctly and remove your personal basis and just receive the obvious meaning of the text in its proper context.

English= 444 Gematria=444 Simple=444

It will be fulfilled in English and this is the reason there are so many English Speaking countries in the world today. See the links see at the bottom as a reference, you will find English is the only language that could reach the masses in this generation. Very few countries (2) speak ancient or Modern Greek as a prominent language and Hebrew are even rarer outside of Israel. Imagine all the countries of the world learning Hebrew or the Koine Greek. English is God’s choice for this prophecy

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Objection 2:

Christians do not need the 666 prophecy to recognize Antichrist so why even bother?

My Response:

Some Christians may recognize Antichrist if they have studied and prayed on this subject but lukewarm non-serious Christians will almost surely be deceived.

The prophecies of Revelation 13 concerning the Antichrist and the false prophet are very clear. The warnings from Jesus Christ through John the beloved concerning the number 666 and the Antichrist’s future buying and selling mark are also quite clear. They are simple and to the point and need no scholarly interpretation. It says DO NOT not take the buying and selling mark of Antichrist or else! Christians who have seriously studied the Bible for themselves do not need to understand or even determine the 666 calculation prophecy of Revelation 13 to recognize the future Antichrist. So why does Jesus want us to calculate for 666 at all? I mean think about it, Christians who know the Bible will know who the Antichrist is without the 666 calculation, so why do it? The reason is simple; Jesus Christ called those with wisdom and understanding to do it.

For a Christian to say otherwise such as "It is not necessary to calculate for 666" or says "some things just cannot be known" is dangerous for the Christian who spoke it. The reason, in the first case it is disobedience to Jesus’ command to do it, plus it is taking away from the book of Revelation to say it is not necessary to calculate for 666. On the second count to say it cannot be known implies that God Almighty does not have the ability to give a person wisdom if they humbly ask for it. To say it cannot be known also makes God a liar who promised to give wisdom and understanding to any who asked. In either case I would not want to be the Christian who made these mistakes.

The scripture says the Antichrist will be an excellent peace maker. The scripture says the Antichrist will eventually have control of all nations for 42 months. The scriptures says the Antichrist will someday require all to take a buying and selling mark of allegiance to him and then someday after his mortal head wound and resurrection he will demand worship as God. The scriptures declare that God Almighty allows this Antichrist to rise because most of the population of the world has rejected the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Someday the Antichrist will walk into a rebuilt Jewish temple and desolate it by causing the continual burnt offering to cease and by claiming to be God.

Since it is clear that any sincere well studied Christian will know the future Antichrist when he rises without the 666 prophecy then why does God give the command to calculate for 666? The reason is because God wishes to reveal the design in English that points both to evil and to good as well as truth and deception, then God leaves it as a choice for the individual to make.

Remember at the end during the rise of Antichrist the scriptures declare a person will be required to choose who they will worship; it will be the worship of one or the other. Some will choose Jesus Christ and others will choose the false Christ, also called the Antichrist. Keep in mind God's design in the English covers three major religions of the world, two are still blinded and most of the other one is still sleeping.

The point of the design is CHOICE, a simple yet clear design that only Almighty God could create.

Remember the Antichrist will be "allowed" to display many forms of supernatural power, some of them being quite impressive. This is another reason for the design as well, regardless of supernatural ability if any person does not sincerely claim Jesus Christ as Lord and King then they will be destroyed by Jesus Christ and his Holy Angels at his coming and for worshiping the false Christ as their God.

Any person who seriously studies the design in the English to the level they know God has done it "without doubt" then it becomes clear that God still wants a person to believe by faith not intellect alone. Not blind faith mind you, but faith that God Almighty has created the English language design to reveal choice and to warn all that the end times of Revelation are nearing and this time it is not a false alarm, so choose well.

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Revelation was written to FIRST CENTURY believers. The 666 prophecy was fulfilled in Nero. There is no 'the' Antichrist. Antichrist is never mentioned in Revelation, nor in any other books except for the letters of John. In those letters, John explains exactly what an antichrist is. Nero was not 'the Antichrist'. Nero was the man in Rev 13, Mr. 666. The madman who persecuted the Church for 42 months. The man who received the fatal head wound. The man who demanded worship. The man who nearly brought the Empire to an end. He's dead. Stop worrying about him.

[PeterH]

Revelation was written to FIRST CENTURY believers. The 666 prophecy was fulfilled in Nero. There is no 'the' Antichrist. Antichrist is never mentioned in Revelation, nor in any other books except for the letters of John. In those letters, John explains exactly what an antichrist is. Nero was not 'the Antichrist'. Nero was the man in Rev 13, Mr. 666. The madman who persecuted the Church for 42 months. The man who received the fatal head wound. The man who demanded worship. The man who nearly brought the Empire to an end. He's dead. Stop worrying about him.

Nero was not thrown into the fiery lake alive with his false prophet by the King of Kings. Nero might have been a type of Antichrist but he wasn't the Man of lawlessness aka Son of perdition aka The Beast aka The Antichrist.

Revelation 19:19-21

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

These are future events.

As to trying to figure out who he is, that's rubbish.

1 Thessalonians 2:6-10

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

This clearly states that he won't be revealed until it is time. And there will be very little doubt of who he is to the saints, if we're even here.

Edited October 4, 2011 by PeterH

[Bold Believer]

Revelation was written to FIRST CENTURY believers. The 666 prophecy was fulfilled in Nero. There is no 'the' Antichrist. Antichrist is never mentioned in Revelation, nor in any other books except for the letters of John. In those letters, John explains exactly what an antichrist is. Nero was not 'the Antichrist'. Nero was the man in Rev 13, Mr. 666. The madman who persecuted the Church for 42 months. The man who received the fatal head wound. The man who demanded worship. The man who nearly brought the Empire to an end. He's dead. Stop worrying about him.

Nero was not thrown into the fiery lake alive with his false prophet by the King of Kings. Nero might have been a type of Antichrist but he wasn't the Man of lawlessness aka Son of perdition aka The Beast aka The Antichrist.

Revelation 19:19-21

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

These are future events.

As to trying to figure out who he is, that's rubbish.

1 Thessalonians 2:6-10

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

This clearly states that he won't be revealed until it is time. And there will be very little doubt of who he is to the saints, if we're even here.

They are PAST events.

Are you sure Nero is not in the Lake of Fire? I wasn't there. I can only read what John wrote and go from there. John says the Beast is in the Lake of Fire. Since Nero personifies Rome (as Christ personifies the Church, as Washington and Lincoln personify America for examples) remember as well, the Beast is both a NATION (Rome) and its 6th emperor (Nero), and when John writes he isn't always clear which he refers to. One has to read and determine which John is speaking of. The false prophet is his religious agent (apostate Judaism, that part of Israel which rejected Jesus as Messiah, primarily the leadership). Apostate Judaism is for all intents and purposes to the cause of salvation, in the lake of fire, as is Rome for being the agent of Satan.