Why don't you vote?

[AnotherSinner]

personally, I view at as such, if you dont vote then you have no right to complain about whos in office. Im sorry if that offended anyone, but thats how I feel, and I follow it-if I want the right to complain, I vote which I do. By not voting, thats saying I really dont care where this countries going, thats my two cents. Even in cases where theres no "ideal" candidates, well we dont live in an ideal world, pick the better of the two and vote for said person. I vote every election, and if the votes only for a lesser of two evils, then its for the lesser of two evils.

I can understand why you would feel that way Patriot. A bit blunt yes, but it is honest.

[jasoncran]

so we shouldnt at least expect some standards. why not do this with pastors after prayer and say well the lesser of two evils? surely we wouldnt .

[The_Patriot21]

we should expect standards your right, adn youth ministers are a totally different ball park, a church can do without a youth minister for awhile till a Godly man comes forward, but the country needs a president, and christians should always vote-especially in the primaries where theres usually at least a few people with standards (there have been good christian men running for office) but if it comes down to two men, well then we need to vote for the lesser of two evils. If you refuse to vote, and the worse one gets in, then in my mind by you not voting is in itself a vote for the worst of the two.

[jasoncran]

i dont expect everything, but common sense guys. we cant sustain our spending and both parties spend! nor can we allow massive immorality, both go hand in hand. people want their sin and dont want to reap that fruit plain and simple. sure we shouldnt go overboard. didnt the bush election of 2000 teach you anything. its the electoral voting in the big states that carried him. your vote on that level doesnt mean much. and oh im in florida and i voted for the mayor of my town which then i lived and still work at out of office. i was one of 300 votes that did her in. has any president won or lost by that closeness recently? im sorry with what we have will still have the destruction of america economony from the likes even of santorum. is it hard to tell him i wont vote for you because you DONT SAY WHAT YOU MEAN? HE SAYS HES SMALL GOVT BUT HE isnt per his voting record. so we cant ask him or expect him to keep his word? that is well acceptable to say well you lie less so i trust you over that guy who lies alot.

[Fez]

Those who don't vote for highsounding, self-righteous reasons, should be internaly consistent. If they are too spiritual to participate in our electoral system, they should likewise not participate in any of the benefits of US citizenship since by extension, the programs that our secular elected officials have enacted over the years are tainted with sin. Welfare, food stamps, social security, medicare, medicaid, Head Start programs, any kind housing or daycare subsidies should be completely shunned.

If you knowingly come into possession of stolen property, it is illegal for you to enjoy it. In the same way, it is sinful to enjoy the beneifts of a system that was too sinful and and ungodly to warrant your participation in the first place. In fact, why not just go all the way and denounce your US citizenship, turn in your Social Security card and stop paying taxes?

And move to another country with a higher moral content.

Which should be easy to find. No? Yes?

Or all all countries morally bankrupt?

[~candice~]

so we shouldnt at least expect some standards. why not do this with pastors after prayer and say well the lesser of two evils? surely we wouldnt .

It's hardly the same, one is a secular appointment, the other has standards set out in the Word we must abide by.

[AnotherSinner]

so we shouldnt at least expect some standards. why not do this with pastors after prayer and say well the lesser of two evils? surely we wouldnt .

I understand your point here. We do need to try to set standards before we vote, think and pray on the matter, then vote for the best possible canidate. However, Candice made a good point too.

There are two totally different standards that apply in accordance to placing a pastor over a church and a man in a political seat of power. Both though should be given careful consideration though.

[jasoncran]

so we shouldnt at least expect some standards. why not do this with pastors after prayer and say well the lesser of two evils? surely we wouldnt .

It's hardly the same, one is a secular appointment, the other has standards set out in the Word we must abide by.

its funny and SAD TO HEAR CHRISTIANS SAY TO THIS soldier that morals dont really matter when it comes to leadership, yet as a leader of men if I commit adultery and sleep with my female soldier i will loose rank as this has caused issues with morale in the past. i have seen it first hand with my platoon leader in combat. a bunch of grown men fighting over a whore and who was going to sleep with her. sorry about the strong language but this first lt and enlisted female were both married and the officer had two kids and he left his wife for her and lied to the whole platoon that he was doing it. he came back and it was known she was pregnant and carried his child. so dont tell me the us president as my commander in chief is above this standard. years ago that lt would have been executed or at least disharged for that. same for that soldier, yet know we got told in so many words what you saw didnt happen.

so when you go to war for some terrorist nation called iran that isnt much of a threat as this point(yes its a threat but we can contain them and not have to go in) and have fought three times in war and with a flick of the pen(as the case with iraq) all that you did is done and all that hurting and aching and loss of friends is for nothing. i havent done a tour in iraq but i have battled ptsd and by god's grace overcame it.the army and all services werent too happy with how obama did the withdrawal. iraq has reverted to an islamic state and what good we did for them iraquis and those that served with us honarable are probably dead by now. so forgive me i expect some integretity from some man in power that may send me to die!lying to an nco is punishable offense in the army. so is lying to the officers or any superior.my co who isnt a christian commands and expect me and his men to be a brothers keeper. i have had ncos and soldiers tell me that i need to lay off the sodas. yet here im told in short we arent our brothers keepers by christians. funny i see a big contradiction here. i have a duty to ensure my troops have what it takes to survive and to ensure them to that will be taken care of. i have to assist them if they are in danger if they want to commit suicide and if they drink to much. in peace time i have seen the army take pay away from men who couldnt stop drinking in germany and going to the red light district. they had to give them money in small amounts.

[~candice~]

Where did I say morals didn't matter? I said that the two issues are not the same, and I stand by that, I do not think they are. The rules for adopting an elder into the church ministry are far stricter than for the President of the USA.

[jasoncran]

Where did I say morals didn't matter? I said that the two issues are not the same, and I stand by that, I do not think they are. The rules for adopting an elder into the church ministry are far stricter than for the President of the USA.

in the concept of asking for santorum to be consistent. this is the rhetoric the lesser of two evils types are saying that i should ignore. just go ahead and knowingly vote for the lesser of the two liars. they still lie.all but paul is like this, and this is why i will write in. if they cant be honest in a campaign why should i trust them to be honest in office. i dont. if i had a christian who was constistent in his view but has good tract record of getting our issues through and was a big spender as well. i would vote for me as i believe god would bless him in office. godless capitalism is just as bad as godless socialism.