Guest shiloh357 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 But the cross and other symbols do no equate to 666. Many believe the false messiah will usher in a reinvented Judaism that pushes Yeshua out of the consideration and places him as the long promised messiah. That the Old Covenant is "the covenant" he will affirm for the seven years but renege on in the middle of the seven. Daniel 9:24 (KJV) 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 9:27 (KJV) 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. The mark of the false messiah could be something as [seemingly] innocuous as the seal of shlomo... What makes you think that the mark will be something that even exists now?? Have you read prophecy books written say, 15 years ago? Nothing has turned out like they said it would. This nonsense about the Star of David isn't new. Conspiracy nuts have been trying to tie it to the "Star of Molech" and every other evil thing they can think of. It is rooted in anti-Semitism, by those who also want to make Jerusalem the whore of Babylon and all of that. 666 is connected to the number of a name, not the mark. The number of the name of the false messiah will equal 666. The mark doesn't equal 666. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 2, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Revelation 13:18 (KJV) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Name is not mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 2, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 And interpreting scripture properly is not antisemitism. If you go back to where I posted Daniel 9:27 you will see I also posted Daniel 9:24 which puts Israel and Jerusalem at the center of the eternal clash between good and evil. Israel is not just a people it is a vehicle through which God rids heaven and earth of sin and evil and so on as written there. It is more ridiculous to ignore what the evil side has done through that vehicle and declare antisemitism to those who simply point out what scripture says. Most minor prophets and Isaiah and Jeremiah would be antisemites in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 2, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Romans 11:28 (KJV) 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. This is why I begin each of my devotional prayers each day praying for the peace of Jerusalem and the salvation of the Jewish people. I see these reports not as something to beat up on Jewish people about but rather the more reason to pray and work for their salvation robbing them from the clutches of the beast. And to at least warn them (ah, but those not filled with the Holy Spirit by faith in Yeshua will fall prey to the beast whether they are Jewish or Gentile). I grieve not gloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 2, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 But the cross and other symbols do no equate to 666. Many believe the false messiah will usher in a reinvented Judaism that pushes Yeshua out of the consideration and places him as the long promised messiah. That the Old Covenant is "the covenant" he will affirm for the seven years but renege on in the middle of the seven. Daniel 9:24 (KJV) 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 9:27 (KJV) 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. The mark of the false messiah could be something as [seemingly] innocuous as the seal of shlomo... We already have reinvented Judaism and many reinvented Christianities. So you are correct but you don't have to wait for it, it's here. True. Menorah is the symbol of Israel in the Old Covenant and the New as well... the seven lamp stands in Revelation refers to the New Jerusalem the Spirit Israel (the Church). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted June 2, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Revelation 13:18 (KJV) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Name is not mentioned. Does it state that the number is related to the Mark at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted June 2, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted June 2, 2012 JohnDB - did you see the thread where a Jehovah's Witness is defending her belief? In there, she provided an extensive explanation for how the symbol of the cross actually has pagan origins. Would you agree or disagree with this assessment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 3, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 Revelation 13:18 (KJV) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Name is not mentioned. Does it state that the number is related to the Mark at all? Revelation 13:17 (KJV) 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 15:2 (KJV) 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 3, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 JohnDB - did you see the thread where a Jehovah's Witness is defending her belief? In there, she provided an extensive explanation for how the symbol of the cross actually has pagan origins. Would you agree or disagree with this assessment? What post was this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted June 3, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Revelation 13:18 (KJV) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Name is not mentioned. Does it state that the number is related to the Mark at all? Revelation 13:17 (KJV) 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 15:2 (KJV) 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. Umm...name is mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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