Fez Posted June 28, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted June 28, 2012 As far as I know there are dying every day many children, not only in Mozambique but in all places. Why don't they raise they also these by prayer? Don't they care? RAise what? Raise from the dead? The dead Children? ........................ Yes, that was what I was asking: Why they don't raise all or almost all dead children? Or even better: Why don't they save the childred even before they die? Since these people are endowed with these remarkable powers I wonder why they don't use them for the benefit of the people, at least for those in Mozambique: For if I look at this data: https://en.wikipedia..._mortality_rate the situation of childen in this country can only be called apalling und I really wonder why they don't do the same for all those suffering children and parents. And that is only Mozambique! It takes only a prayer of them to raise people from the dead. Why don't they lower at least Mozambique's infant mortality rate for one year to the level of, say, Saudi Arabia's? Imagine how much relief that would be for the people. P.S. This has nothing to do with asking for signs. I just ask those people who have divine powers at their command to use them for the benefit of the needy. First off. No one, not one person walking this earth has "divine power" to do anything. What they have is faith. Jesus is the only divine power. And so we pray in faith for Him to answer, and not only for healing, but for everything we need. It is only by His power and not ours, that prayers are answered. And it is His will as to how He answers. How did I see the small boy John raised from the dead? (I have posted on this before, and will not get into the "maybe he was not dead" discussion, I have seen more dead people than most on Worthy have had hot breakfasts, and am a trained rescue diver with a gazillion paramedic courses behind me). My brother had John in his arms, and my brother was crying, and he looked up and screamed, "Lord, not him, not today", and prayed. And John is alive today, I see him every time I go to Moz. As to your question about "reducing mortality rates". Mozambique is not Saudi Arabia (one of the richest kingdoms on earth), it is one of the poorest countries on earth. It is ravaged by malaria, and various other exotic diseases. It is huge, recovering from civil war and failed socialism experiments by the government. It is up against the wall in so many ways, but is clawing it's way back. The very reason why amazing women like Heidi Baker from Iris Ministries are in Mozambique is to do exactly that, reduce infant mortality, raise living conditions and preach the gospel. It is the reason that my brother and I support a local mission, have assisted in building a clinic staffed by Dutch doctors, have put in water supplies, use our vehicles as ambulances, do basic primary health care from the house we have built in a local village, preach in local churches and villages, arrange outreach events (my brother is there at the moment, and his pastor has just re financed his house at great financial risk to purchase generators, sound equipment, instruments, etc), and have spent every spare cent we have over the last 20 years doing it. Landmines or not. Malaria or not, hijackers armed with AK47's or not. We do it for Jesus, and Mozambique, and the wonderful, loving, caring, friendly, Jesus worshiping people who live in very trying conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 God Does Not Answer All Prayers As Prayed.... ...The quotes.... seem to contradict your statement that God does not answer all prayers..... Perhaps This Helps Perhaps Not ~ Some Folk Seem So Angry With The Healing God Does In His Children Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew 10:8 Deep Within The Forgotten Backwaters Of This Planet Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Ezekiel 16:49 Yet Some Give God The Glory God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Psalms 46:1 And Rejoice Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Psalms 103:1 ~ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdb4747 Posted July 1, 2012 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/07/1947 Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) GOD IS NOT "SILENT", HE IS WAITING RESURRECTION IN CHRIST PRECEDES ASCENSION (“RAPTURE”) The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of GOD. And the “dead” in Christ shall rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Who are the “dead in Christ” that rise first? When we study this verse, we should understand that this Koine Greek word translated to mean “dead” can mean either “physically dead” (deceased as a corpse), or it can mean “spiritually dead” as “dead” in trespasses and sins. The following verse exemplifies both connotations of this word for “dead” being used. "Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead" (Matthew 8:22). This shows both connotations of this same Greek word for “dead”. The “dead” (deceased) cannot bury their own “dead” (deceased), but those who are physically alive but “spiritually dead” in trespasses and sins can bury the “dead” (deceased). This shows us that the word “dead”, as in “the dead in Christ shall rise first”, can refer to those who are physically alive on earth, but spiritually “dead” because of sin in their life. Those who receive the Spirit of Christ from either parent having Christ within them have the right to become a child of GOD by the Spirit of Christ within them. Those not separated from GOD by sin that repent and believe in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins are sealed by the Spirit as a child of GOD and remain alive in Christ as they continue to walk with the Spirit. They grow to overcome the world and sin as they are made in the image of Jesus Christ to become a son of GOD and heir of the Kingdom of GOD. Those having the Spirit of Christ within them that become spiritually dead in trespasses and sins ("dead in Christ") by lusting after the ways of the world and sin (as a “prodigal”) before trusting in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, are saved and pass from death unto life by being made alive together with the Spirit of Christ (“born again”) when forgiven of all trespasses by repenting and confessing their sins as they trust in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. They are purged of their sin (unrighteousness) as they are conformed to the image of Jesus Christ to become a son of GOD and heir of the Kingdom of GOD. The “dead in Christ” rising first can be seen as believers “in Christ” during the time of the reformation that were spiritually “dead” in sins. This was because by following the Law-like doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church that was established for the purpose of containing the overspreading of abominations, they were not living by faith to be forgiven of sins by the grace of GOD for their faith. These believers were saved and born again when forgiven by the grace of GOD for their faith by repenting and confessing their sins, and trusting in the name of Jesus Christ, rather than depend upon the priesthood and institution of the Romans Catholic church for salvation. This connotation aligns with Bible prophecy from the books of Daniel and Revelation. The rising of the “dead in Christ” can also be seen as those “in Christ” who are out of fellowship with God (as “dead in sins”, perhaps by following the sinful ways of the world) being born again and passing from death unto life by being made alive together with Christ when forgiven of all trespasses by repenting and trusting in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. This connotation applies to many believers in America today. Prophecy says the “dead in Christ” shall rise first before we are caught-up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (“rapture”). This is why we should all work together with the Spirit of Christ to bring the “dead in Christ” to rise first, so we might all be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (“rapture”). Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting (Psalm 139: 23-24). . If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him. (1 John 2:29) Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. (1 John 3:9) Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. (1 John 4:7) We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. (1 John 5:18) Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. (1 John 3:24) And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. (1 John 3:23) We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. (1 John 3:14) ….. "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Jesus Christ arose from the dead first before He ascended, so also, believers rise to life by being born of GOD in the resurrection with Christ first before ascending by being caught up together with them in the clouds (that were “asleep” who GOD brings with Him – v. 14) to meet the Lord in the air. May GOD bless,……. Edited July 1, 2012 by kdb4747 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayyycuuup Posted July 1, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,384 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 155 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/20/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1996 Share Posted July 1, 2012 There are miricales all around us! look at doctors for instance..... they dont revive people, it is Gods will that they stay on this earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippias Posted July 2, 2012 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 148 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2012 As far as I know there are dying every day many children, not only in Mozambique but in all places. Why don't they raise they also these by prayer? Don't they care? RAise what? Raise from the dead? The dead Children? ........................ Yes, that was what I was asking: Why they don't raise all or almost all dead children? Or even better: Why don't they save the childred even before they die? Since these people are endowed with these remarkable powers I wonder why they don't use them for the benefit of the people, at least for those in Mozambique: For if I look at this data: https://en.wikipedia..._mortality_rate the situation of childen in this country can only be called apalling und I really wonder why they don't do the same for all those suffering children and parents. And that is only Mozambique! It takes only a prayer of them to raise people from the dead. Why don't they lower at least Mozambique's infant mortality rate for one year to the level of, say, Saudi Arabia's? Imagine how much relief that would be for the people. P.S. This has nothing to do with asking for signs. I just ask those people who have divine powers at their command to use them for the benefit of the needy. First off. No one, not one person walking this earth has "divine power" to do anything. What they have is faith. Jesus is the only divine power. And so we pray in faith for Him to answer, and not only for healing, but for everything we need. It is only by His power and not ours, that prayers are answered. And it is His will as to how He answers. How did I see the small boy John raised from the dead? (I have posted on this before, and will not get into the "maybe he was not dead" discussion, I have seen more dead people than most on Worthy have had hot breakfasts, and am a trained rescue diver with a gazillion paramedic courses behind me). My brother had John in his arms, and my brother was crying, and he looked up and screamed, "Lord, not him, not today", and prayed. And John is alive today, I see him every time I go to Moz. As to your question about "reducing mortality rates". Mozambique is not Saudi Arabia (one of the richest kingdoms on earth), it is one of the poorest countries on earth. It is ravaged by malaria, and various other exotic diseases. It is huge, recovering from civil war and failed socialism experiments by the government. It is up against the wall in so many ways, but is clawing it's way back. The very reason why amazing women like Heidi Baker from Iris Ministries are in Mozambique is to do exactly that, reduce infant mortality, raise living conditions and preach the gospel. It is the reason that my brother and I support a local mission, have assisted in building a clinic staffed by Dutch doctors, have put in water supplies, use our vehicles as ambulances, do basic primary health care from the house we have built in a local village, preach in local churches and villages, arrange outreach events (my brother is there at the moment, and his pastor has just re financed his house at great financial risk to purchase generators, sound equipment, instruments, etc), and have spent every spare cent we have over the last 20 years doing it. Landmines or not. Malaria or not, hijackers armed with AK47's or not. We do it for Jesus, and Mozambique, and the wonderful, loving, caring, friendly, Jesus worshiping people who live in very trying conditions. Hello Fez, I really mean no offence and I do admire your service for humanity - I can not say having achieved any of what you have in Mozambique. But I still don't see if this proves that God is silent or not: Whether you call raising a child from the dead having divine powers or not: Jesus says: 21 [...] “Verily I say unto you, if ye have faith and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, ‘Be thou removed and be thou cast into the sea,’ it shall be done. 22 And all things whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.” (Matthew 21:21-2) From that follows that it only depends on your prayer to lower infants mortality rates in Mozambique. And why do you consider Mozambique's poverty a hindrance? FresnoJoe informed me that God listens especially to the prayers of poorest of the poor. What I don't understand is that if you saying "Lord, let him not die" is enough why you build clinics, why is malaria still a problem and all those guns? I would expect this from an unbeliever who is unable to receive whatever he asks for. To me it seems that either you don't pray for it to stop or that not all things whatsoever you ask for in prayer you receive. If you have this divine powers - I stick to this term - like resurrect dead people etc. then use them and help the poor people. If you can remove mountains by prayer you should be able to erect clinics and furnish them with enough medical supplies in order to lower Mozambique infants mortality rate to that of Saudi Arabia, I guess, with a prayer too. Help them, if you can. If you and your brother can resurrect dead people then don't use this power only for yourselves: all parents who lose their children find it is too early. 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hippias Posted July 2, 2012 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 148 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2012 I don't think that God's ability to perform miracles does depend on whether there is much faith or not, if He is almighty. “Verily I say unto you, if ye have faith and doubt not" @hippias Your statement contradicts the scripture that youre quoting. Isaiah 33:14 "The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?" Hello xero, this seems to be an obvious misunderstanding: I meant that it seems unlikely to me that God's powers could be suppressed if other people than the one who prays don't believe in Him; that a prayer will be granted by Him only if the praying person believes in Him may very well hold. So my response was from the perspective of the praying person only and therefore, it seems to me, not selfcontradictory at all. Otherwise no miracle could ever have happened for there are always some unbelievers, wouldn't you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xero Posted July 2, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 365 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 90 Days Won: 6 Joined: 03/16/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2012 According to faith; as its written: so it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xero Posted July 2, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 365 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 90 Days Won: 6 Joined: 03/16/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2012 Matthew 16:23 "But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 .... I meant that it seems unlikely to me that God's powers could be suppressed if other people than the one who prays don't believe in Him; that a prayer will be granted by Him only if the praying person believes in Him may very well hold. So my response was from the perspective of the praying person only and therefore, it seems to me, not self contradictory at all. Otherwise no miracle could ever have happened for there are always some unbelievers, wouldn't you agree.... Our God Is An Awesome God He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them. 2 Samuel 2:8 He Reigns From Heaven Above For the LORD your God dried up the waters of Jordan from before you, until ye were passed over, as the LORD your God did to the Red sea, which he dried up from before us, until we were gone over: That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it is mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever. Joshua 4:23-24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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