Final Authority and Final Canonization

[makahiya117]

I wish to post my theory of final authority and final canonization

not to doubtful disputation, envy, strife or contention

but in sincerity and love.

Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Philippians 1:15-17

15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife . . .

16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely . . .

17 But the other of love . . .

[makahiya117]

Historically and logically, Theology is the master university science.

Academic Theology was central in the development of higher education

at Paris, Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale and Princeton.

The central critical issue in academic theology is final authority.

KJV 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,

and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

KJV 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,

how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

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Edited March 28, 2013 by makahiya117

[makahiya117]

#1. You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God. There are no original manuscripts

KJV But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness,

nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

#2. You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles"

are given by inspiration of God.There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek, Syrian, Latin, German, English,

French, Spanish, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

#3. You cannot honestly say "the Greek N.T." or "all N.T. Greek texts"

are given by inspiration of God. There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek texts

which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

#4. All KJV Holy Bibles are editions of the 1611 KJV first edition.

While the 1769 KJV Holy Bible standardized spelling, corrected printer’s errors

and is the select text today, the text of the AV 1611 KJV first edition remains

the principal canon authority of Holy Scripture.

There were no manuscript revisions of the 1611 KJV until the 1881 RV

(Revised Version), only spelling, measurements and punctuation editions.

KJV For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:

but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

#5 . KJV Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The human finger prints (typographical errors, spelling errors, missing words, etc.)

further document the testaments and covenants between God and man.

The Record Theory independently answers the questions of final authority

and final canonization (books and words). The dynamic Purified Text Theory supports the Record Theory, demonstrated categorically and conclusively

in the manuscript evidence, bible canonization, bible doctrine,

billions of bibles and computational linguistics.

[makahiya117]

The topic is final authority and final canonization.

The question is do you have scripture ?

Please answer the question and state your theory of final authority

and final canonization.

[JTC]

Welcome to the board. What is your question, you didn't ask a question.

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While I posted the above you added 2 more posts.

I don't understand your question?

All the various translations are much more similar than dissimilar. Especially when compared to Holy books of other religions. I won't say which one, but a very well known Eastern Holy book that's been translated into English, has such wide discrepancies from 1 translation to another, that it seemed like a different book. I have not found this to be true of the Bible. I think we can rely on it no matter which translation is used.

[Fez]

The topic is final authority and final canonization.

The question is do you have scripture ?

Please answer the question and state your theory of final authority

and final canonization.

final canonization.

Please explain what this means to you?

[Shimshon]

Welcome to the board. What is your question, you didn't ask a question.

Yes, they did.

The topic is final authority and final canonization.

The question is do you have scripture ?

Please answer the question and state your theory of final authority

and final canonization.

In their previous post they stated things like;

#1. You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God. There are no original manuscripts

KJV But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness,

nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

#2. You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles"

are given by inspiration of God.There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek, Syrian, Latin, German, English,

French, Spanish, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

#3. You cannot honestly say "the Greek N.T." or "all N.T. Greek texts"

are given by inspiration of God. There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek texts

which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

#4. All KJV Holy Bibles are editions of the 1611 KJV first edition.

While the 1769 KJV Holy Bible standardized spelling, corrected printer’s errors

and is the select text today, the text of the AV 1611 KJV first edition remains

the principal canon authority of Holy Scripture.

There were no manuscript revisions of the 1611 KJV until the 1881 RV

(Revised Version), only spelling, measurements and punctuation editions.

KJV For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:

but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

#5 . KJV Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The human finger prints (typographical errors, spelling errors, missing words, etc.)

further document the testaments and covenants between God and man.

The Record Theory independently answers the questions of final authority

and final canonization (books and words). The dynamic Purified Text Theory supports the Record Theory, demonstrated categorically and conclusively

in the manuscript evidence, bible canonization, bible doctrine,

billions of bibles and computational linguistics.

They are questioning the authority of the bible. And, if I understand them correctly, they do not believe the bible as we have it today is 'authorative'. The question as I see it is, do you believe in the authority of the bible. Divinely inspired, written by God, or do you believe the Record Theory.

Is the bible the final authority here on earth? They are asking if you have the final authority (scripture) or not. Is scripture (the bible) authoritive?

[GoldenEagle]

#1. You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God. There are no original manuscripts

KJV But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

#2. You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles" are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek, Syrian, Latin, German, English, French, Spanish, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

#3. You cannot honestly say "the Greek N.T." or "all N.T. Greek texts" are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek texts which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

#4. All KJV Holy Bibles are editions of the 1611 KJV first edition.

While the 1769 KJV Holy Bible standardized spelling, corrected printer’s errors and is the select text today, the text of the AV 1611 KJV first edition remains the principal canon authority of Holy Scripture.

There were no manuscript revisions of the 1611 KJV until the 1881 RV (Revised Version), only spelling, measurements and punctuation editions.

KJV For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

#5 . KJV Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The human finger prints (typographical errors, spelling errors, missing words, etc.) further document the testaments and covenants between God and man.

The Record Theory independently answers the questions of final authority and final canonization (books and words). The dynamic Purified Text Theory supports the Record Theory, demonstrated categorically and conclusively in the manuscript evidence, bible canonization, bible doctrine, billions of bibles and computational linguistics.

We actually have quite a few original texts of the Bible Makahiya117. Have you heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Are you trying to promote the KJV only stance of the Bible Makahiya117?

Why can't one say that the original texts are inspired by God?

I'm confused as well as to what exactly is your question. Is the Bible the final authority for the Christian? Yes. Is the Blibical Canon closed? Yes.

[JTC]

Almost everyday we get one or more posts, from one or more people, who want to discredit the Bible, or prove it false. But they just can't do it. I believe the reason they can't do it is because the Bible is God's owners manual to mankind. And this God, who inspired men to write these books, is so powerful, that neither time, nor typographical errors have been able to change the basic messages our God wants us to get. This fact alone should prove something to you skeptics. I'm reminded of the old "10 Commandments" movie made in the late 1950s or early 60's. I know it was just a movie, but after Pharaoh and his chariots went after the Hebrews, they were almost all lost when the Red Sea closed on them. Pharaoh comes back to his palace and in a very defeated voice he says, "Moses's god is God".

And we seem to prove that here almost everyday. The God of the Bible is God.

When I was a new Christian I took great pains to compare 2 or 4 (at the most) translations of the Bible. It was quite hard because there was no internet. But now with the Internet, it's easy to compare different translations. There are some minor word differences, but they are basically all saying the same things.

I'll say this, and I know many of my Christian brothers and sisters will disagree. But if there are any minor errors in the Bible, God probably let them be there so non believers will stay as non believers. I don't know why, but God doesn't want every person to believe, only those He calls. This is a mystery, and the Christian faith has many mysteries. As Paul said, while here on Earth we see as if looking through a dark glass. But once we die and become glorified like Jesus did, we will see quite clearly.

[Fez]

Makahiya?

Touch me not?

Please tell me, are you originally from the Philippines, and are you a Catholic?