John S Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/06/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/08/1952 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Fayec1. America is NOT Babylon.2. If you would rather not believe in an antichrist to come, that's up to you. Pre-Tribbers have been deceived into believing that they won't be around when he shows up. So you will be in the same sinking boat that they will be in, when he does arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikki1 Posted July 17, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,260 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 55 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2013 Fayec 1. America is NOT Babylon. 2. If you would rather not believe in an antichrist to come, that's up to you. Pre-Tribbers have been deceived into believing that they won't be around when he shows up. So you will be in the same sinking boat that they will be in, when he does arrive. Cool response! (LOL) Then there is the idea that the abomination of desolation is the Dome of the Rock standing in the holy place, which does have merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fayec Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 continuing with the topic......... The following are things which Daniel foretold about the man of lawlessness upon America. He describes them as that of, "a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences (foul language)." (8:23) "his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power." (8:24) "he shall prosper and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people (the christian people)." (8:24) "he shall craft policies that prosper him." (8:25) Is called "the people of the prince" (9:26) "shall destroy the city (Babylon the Great) and the sanctuary". (9:26) "shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (shall indirectly cause the worship and daily school prayer to cease.)" (9:27) DANIEL, CHAPTER 11 "And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south (against the south). Also the robbers of thy people (the man of lawlessness; the ten horns) shall exalt themselves." (11:14) "So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people (neither the christians of the south), for there shall be no strength to withstand." (11:15) "But he (the ten horns; the man of lawlessness) that cometh against him shall do according to his will; and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed." (11:16) " He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he ( and the ten kings) shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her." (11:17 "Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes (President Lyndon Johnson) in the glory of the kingdom: but within a few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle ( he shall not seek a second term)." (11:20) "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they (to whom the ten kings) shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries." (11:21) Can you identify that vile person? "And with the arms of a flood (with a flood of laws) they (the ten kings) shall be overflown from before him, and shall be broken." (11:22) "And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: and he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people." (11:23) to be continued continuing "He shall enter peaceably upon the fattest places of the province (upon the industrial north); and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his father's fathers; he shall scatter among them (among the ten kings) the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds even for a time." (11:24) "And he (the ten horns) shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south (against the whites of the south) with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they (for the ten horns) shall forecast devices against him." (11:25) "Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain (the Civil War)." (11:26) "And both these kings' hearts (the hearts of both the northern and southern politicians) shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper; for yet the end shall be at the time appointed." (11:27) "Then shall he return into his land with great riches: and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land (return to the south)." (11:28) "At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter." (11:29) "For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them (with the ten kings) that forsake the holy covenant." (11:30) "And arms (and the laws) shall stand on his part, and they (the ten kings; the European Americans) shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice (the daily school prayer), and they shall put in place the abomination that maketh desolate." (11:31) to be continued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2013 Now about the A/C 1 John 2:18 - Dear children, this is the last hour, and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come... I don't think it is a fable, for it is real. In Christ Montana Marv The newer versions of the Bible have added "the" in from of antichrist in that verse. The King James says, "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." (1st John 2:18) No mention of "the Antichrist". Perhaps you should check the Greek. In the Greek, there is the following: paidia (little-boys-and-girls) eschatE (LAST) hOra (hour) estin (it-IS) kai (and) kathOs (according-AS) Ekousate (YE-HEAR) hoti (that) ho (THE) antichristos (INSTEAD ANOINTED (antichrist)) erchetai (IS-COMING) ... You are correct thought, many versions do leave out the word "the". I wonder if they realized what a mess that would be to leave out one word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,793 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,513 Days Won: 130 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted July 18, 2013 Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Pretty clearly a specific "king" fights against the "Prince of Princes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fayec Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 continuing with the topic......... The following are things which Daniel foretold about the man of lawlessness upon America. He describes them as that of, "a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences (foul language)." (8:23) "his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power." (8:24) "he shall prosper and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people (the christian people)." (8:24) "he shall craft policies that prosper him." (8:25) Is called "the people of the prince" (9:26) "shall destroy the city (Babylon the Great) and the sanctuary". (9:26) "shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (shall indirectly cause the worship and daily school prayer to cease.)" (9:27) DANIEL, CHAPTER 11 "And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south (against the south). Also the robbers of thy people (the man of lawlessness; the ten horns) shall exalt themselves." (11:14) "So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people (neither the christians of the south), for there shall be no strength to withstand." (11:15) "But he (the ten horns; the man of lawlessness) that cometh against him shall do according to his will; and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed." (11:16) " He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he ( and the ten kings) shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her." (11:17 "Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes (President Lyndon Johnson) in the glory of the kingdom: but within a few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle ( he shall not seek a second term)." (11:20) "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they (to whom the ten kings) shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries." (11:21) Can you identify that vile person? "And with the arms of a flood (with a flood of laws) they (the ten kings) shall be overflown from before him, and shall be broken." (11:22) "And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: and he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people." (11:23) to be continued continuing "He shall enter peaceably upon the fattest places of the province (upon the industrial north); and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his father's fathers; he shall scatter among them (among the ten kings) the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds even for a time." (11:24) "And he (the ten horns) shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south (against the whites of the south) with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they (for the ten horns) shall forecast devices against him." (11:25) "Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain (the Civil War)." (11:26) "And both these kings' hearts (the hearts of both the northern and southern politicians) shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper; for yet the end shall be at the time appointed." (11:27) "Then shall he return into his land with great riches: and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land (return to the south)." (11:28) "At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter." (11:29) "For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them (with the ten kings) that forsake the holy covenant." (11:30) "And arms (and the laws) shall stand on his part, and they (the ten kings; the European Americans) shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice (the daily school prayer), and they shall put in place the abomination that maketh desolate." (11:31) to be continued continuing..... "And they that understand among the people (among the ten kings; the European Americans) shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, and by captivity, and by spoil, many days." (11:33) "And the king (the ten horns; the man of lawlessness) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god (above every man), and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods (against the European Americans; the ten kings) and shall prosper till the indignation (till the abomination of desolation) be acccomplished: for that that is determined shall be done." (11:36) "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers (the founding fathers), nor the desire of women (nor women's issues), nor regard any god (any man): for he shall magnify himself above all." (11:37) "And his estate (and America) shall honor him with gold, and silver, and precious stones, and pleasant things." (11:38) "Thus shall he (shall America) do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory.: and he shall cause them (shall cause the ten horns; the man of lawlessness) to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain." (11:39) "And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him (at America): and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, and he (and America) shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over." (11:40) "He (America) shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown...." (11:41) "He (America) shall stretch forth his hand (hand of democracy) upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape." (11:42 "But he (America) shall have power over the currency, and over the precious things of Egypt (over the Arab oil): and the Libyans and the Ethiopians (the people of Gog) shall be at his steps." (11:43 "But news out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy..." (11:44) "And he (the European Americans) shall plant the tabernacles of his own palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain (glorious christian continent); yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation (since America became a nation) even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that is found written in the book." (12:1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fayec Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 Cains descendants were wiped out in the flood. Noah came out of Seths line. Daniel has no hint of a description of European Americans. In Christ Montana Marv That's your opinion. The scriptures say otherwise. (Genesis 6:19) (God speaking to Noah) "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." Representatives of every living flesh did come on the ark. There were certainly more than 2 humans aboard from Noahs family. Cains descendents were not there. They were wiped out with the rest of humanity. The scripture CLEARLY says in Genesis 6 that a male and female of all flesh went aboard the ark, meaning a male and female of each race or classification of mankind. "But with thee (with your people) will I establish my covenant," God said to Noah in verse 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fayec Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 Now about the A/C 1 John 2:18 - Dear children, this is the last hour, and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come... I don't think it is a fable, for it is real. In Christ Montana Marv The newer versions of the Bible have added "the" in from of antichrist in that verse. The King James says, "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." (1st John 2:18) No mention of "the Antichrist". Perhaps you should check the Greek. In the Greek, there is the following: paidia (little-boys-and-girls) eschatE (LAST) hOra (hour) estin (it-IS) kai (and) kathOs (according-AS) Ekousate (YE-HEAR) hoti (that) ho (THE) antichristos (INSTEAD ANOINTED (antichrist)) erchetai (IS-COMING) ... You are correct thought, many versions do leave out the word "the". I wonder if they realized what a mess that would be to leave out one word? I think you meant to say that many versions of the Bible have "added" the word the in front of antichrist, which is certainly the case. But in the King James you won't find the term "the antichrist" in 1st and 2nd John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAP73 Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 183 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/22/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2013 The scripture CLEARLY says in Genesis 6 that a male and female of all flesh went aboard the ark, meaning a male and female of each race or classification of mankind. "But with thee (with your people) will I establish my covenant," God said to Noah in verse 18. How about we look at the rest of verse 18? But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. It's very clear that the only people going into the ark is Noah, his sons, and their wives, and that God is making the covenant with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fayec Posted July 18, 2013 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 87 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 That's your opinion. The scriptures say otherwise. (Genesis 6:19) (God speaking to Noah) "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." That is really poor hermeneutics. 1 Peter 3:18-20 18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, We know who those 8 people were. Noah, Shem, Ham, Japeth and their wives. 8 people. Cain's line dies in the flood. America is not Babylon. America is on the fast track to become a third world nation and will not be a major player in end-time events. I disagree. I strongly believe that AMERICA is BABYLON THE GREAT, and that it is the MAJOR player in end-time prophecies. And based on the prophetic scriptures of Daniel, 2nd Thessalonians 2, and Revelation 13, 17, and 18, I strongly believe that God chose to use as the timeline for Christ's return to earth, America, and events that have transpired between white and black Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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