Guest shiloh357 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 If anything it has, and continues to stifle science education. This is not so. Modern science is built on the shoulders of men who believed in God and believed and followed the Bible. Sir Isaac Newton, Francis Bakcon, Johannes Kepler, Christpher Wren, Galileo, just to name a few. The scientific method was developed by a CHristian named Galileo, no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted January 7, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Actually if you notice in the PDF I showed you, the practices in the first ten listed there were for the purpose of preventing infection and the spreading of germs and bacteria. It is these practices similar to these that kept the Jews in Europe from contracting the black plague. But even in the first century, people understood the existence of parasites and knew to boil stagnate water before drinking it or cooking with it. Please cite anything regarding the natural world that bible gave us that we did not already know. If anything it has, and continues to stifle science education. Again, reference is made to the PDF file. It shows the hygene practice God commanded the Scripture passage where found and the conventional wisdom of the surrounding nations of the known world at that time. The Bible shows that God commanded hygenic practices that flew in the face of conventional worldly wisdom and practice during biblical times. Please cite evidence that surrounding people did not know to go outside of their camp and dig a hole to relieve themselves. Sorry, your argument is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 You are being extremely intellectually dishonest if you do not think that Christians used bloodletting as a balance to the humors for the last 1500 years. If Christians did it, you can be assured it was based on their reading of the Bible. Prove that assumption. Just because christians practiced bloodletting doesn't mean they got it from the Bible. That is a fallacious leap in logic. Lot's of people, nonChristians practiced bloodletting. Your claim has no basis in truth or reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted January 7, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 You are being extremely intellectually dishonest if you do not think that Christians used bloodletting as a balance to the humors for the last 1500 years. If Christians did it, you can be assured it was based on their reading of the Bible. Prove that assumption. Just because christians practiced bloodletting doesn't mean they got it from the Bible. That is a fallacious leap in logic. Lot's of people, nonChristians practiced bloodletting. Your claim has no basis in truth or reality. You are getting of the topic I started. The rituals cited from the bible are preposterous. How do you justify them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Actually if you notice in the PDF I showed you, the practices in the first ten listed there were for the purpose of preventing infection and the spreading of germs and bacteria. It is these practices similar to these that kept the Jews in Europe from contracting the black plague. But even in the first century, people understood the existence of parasites and knew to boil stagnate water before drinking it or cooking with it. Please cite anything regarding the natural world that bible gave us that we did not already know. If anything it has, and continues to stifle science education. Again, reference is made to the PDF file. It shows the hygene practice God commanded the Scripture passage where found and the conventional wisdom of the surrounding nations of the known world at that time. The Bible shows that God commanded hygenic practices that flew in the face of conventional worldly wisdom and practice during biblical times. Please cite evidence that surrounding people did not know to go outside of their camp and dig a hole to relieve themselves. Sorry, your argument is laughable. Actually they didn't. The Egyptian "doctors" used feces as part of their medicinal practices. Lesions were allowed to first form a scab. The scab was then removed and a salve applied. The cure for this minor condition seems particularly dangerous, as the creation of the salve involved mixing human feces with fresh milk and then applying this mixture to the open wound, exposing the individual to all sorts of infections. Read more: http://www.ehow.com/list_7217913_ancient-egyptian-cures.html#ixzz2pfTi8mpb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 You are being extremely intellectually dishonest if you do not think that Christians used bloodletting as a balance to the humors for the last 1500 years. If Christians did it, you can be assured it was based on their reading of the Bible. Prove that assumption. Just because christians practiced bloodletting doesn't mean they got it from the Bible. That is a fallacious leap in logic. Lot's of people, nonChristians practiced bloodletting. Your claim has no basis in truth or reality. You are getting of the topic I started. The rituals cited from the bible are preposterous. How do you justify them? Which rituals are you calling preposterous and wny precisely are they preposterous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted January 7, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 You are being extremely intellectually dishonest if you do not think that Christians used bloodletting as a balance to the humors for the last 1500 years. If Christians did it, you can be assured it was based on their reading of the Bible. Prove that assumption. Just because christians practiced bloodletting doesn't mean they got it from the Bible. That is a fallacious leap in logic. Lot's of people, nonChristians practiced bloodletting. Your claim has no basis in truth or reality. You are getting of the topic I started. The rituals cited from the bible are preposterous. How do you justify them? Which rituals are you calling preposterous and wny precisely are they preposterous? Read my original post. Those rituals don't seem silly to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Read my original post. Those rituals don't seem silly to you? 1. You didn't answer the question. 2. Why would they be silly for the time period in which they were needed? If it kept you from contracting a disease and dying from it, it is really all that silly? 3. Again, why are these things silly? Because you say they are??? You are making a lot of claims and not really substantiating anything. It appears you just want to mock and belittle and your position carries no intellectual weight or credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted January 7, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Read my original post. Those rituals don't seem silly to you? 1. You didn't answer the question. 2. Why would they be silly for the time period in which they were needed? If it kept you from contracting a disease and dying from it, it is really all that silly? 3. Again, why are these things silly? Because you say they are??? You are making a lot of claims and not really substantiating anything. It appears you just want to mock and belittle and your position carries no intellectual weight or credibility. So, you believe that the protocol cited in the verses I posted would keep someone from contracting a disease? The verse does not even say that. It is only to ritualistically cleanse someone who has already been cured. I just find it strange God would require such machinations for someone to worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted January 7, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2014 Can you kind of boil it down to where your main point of contention lies in the above passage? That is too long of a passage to address completely on this kind of forum. Just present the verses that present the biggest problem and state why they are problem for you and we can go from there. thanks - I guess I have a problem with the ceremonial aspects of what I posted. Is God supposed to be happy that we killed a bird under water or sprinkled water a specific number of times. If you look at medicine throughout history, you can see where the bible led people astray and actually made medcine worse (look at bleeding for instance). Do you really think that what is practiced in the chapters and verses above actually helped anyone...or actually appeased God or should appease God? If you are referring to the practice of bloodletting, where a doctor will let a patient bleed, that is not rooted in the bible at all. Nowhere is such a thing mentioned in the bible. The origins of that practice come from other cultures that followed false gods. It was practiced by ancient egyptians, ancient greeks and ancient hindus. ...And practiced by Christians up until modern times. It was thought to release the bad humors from the blood. It was pretty much practiced by everyone, not just Christians. And as pointed out there was no biblical reason for Can you kind of boil it down to where your main point of contention lies in the above passage? That is too long of a passage to address completely on this kind of forum. Just present the verses that present the biggest problem and state why they are problem for you and we can go from there. thanks - I guess I have a problem with the ceremonial aspects of what I posted. Is God supposed to be happy that we killed a bird under water or sprinkled water a specific number of times. If you look at medicine throughout history, you can see where the bible led people astray and actually made medcine worse (look at bleeding for instance). Do you really think that what is practiced in the chapters and verses above actually helped anyone...or actually appeased God or should appease God? If you are referring to the practice of bloodletting, where a doctor will let a patient bleed, that is not rooted in the bible at all. Nowhere is such a thing mentioned in the bible. The origins of that practice come from other cultures that followed false gods. It was practiced by ancient egyptians, ancient greeks and ancient hindus. ...And practiced by Christians up until modern times. It was thought to release the bad humors from the blood. It was pretty much practiced by everyone, not just Christians. And as pointed out there was no biblical reason for The bible was the reason for doing it. Fortunately, there were some strong/brave enough to stand up against "Christian" medicine. It takes some strong intelectual ignorance to read history and not come to that conclusion. How can a practice that pre-dates Christ be the result of Christians? Can you please provide the bible passages that instruct people in blood letting? And finally, if the bible is the reason for doing it, why did the ancient Greeks practice it? You are equivocating. My original post was from the Old Testament. Why did God not reveal germ-theory in the bible, or for that matter anything that the people of biblical times did not already know? You are the one that was using the term Christan, if that is not what you meant, then don't use it. So, can you please provide the bible passages that instruct people in blood letting? And would you be a sweety and answer my last question, if the bible is the reason for doing it, why did the ancient Greeks practice it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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