OEC and The New Heavens and New Earth

[enoob57]

I don't think their going to get it! The Bible speaks for itself

it is what it is and that is the simple hermeneutic of it... My 8

to 12 year old boys see it Love, Steven

 

Ahhhh, Yes SIR!  And why is that in your humble opinion?

I believe it is because satan has so entered the camp of the learned that it,

(the Bible), is seen only as a book and not a living entity unique to itself

alone! It is the Spirit of God that cause this uniqueness to be apparent and

causes the seeker to be needful to rid ones self of the that self which repels

the majority that come to It's shores... When God say's something it is so and

only that of the child may embrace it without convoluting it's message

Luke 18:16-17

16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me,

and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Verily I say unto you,

Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise

enter therein.

KJV

As the clear an evident fact that cannot be any other- we are on the ruined side of

the beginning and the only living witness available 'IS' The Word of God!

Love, Steven

[LookingForAnswers]

We are to have the heart of a child, not the brain of one.

[enoob57]

We are to have the heart of a child, not the brain of one.

All beings born are dead and in order to escape this death

one must be born again and until this new birth occurs you will

continue to seek the living among the dead! All knowledge here is

formed from that death and will pass away as evident

1 Cor 8:1-3

8 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all

have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2 And

if any man think that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet

as he ought to know.

3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

KJV

there is no shame in being small... in fact it is the cleanest place I

know of here! Love, Steven

[Enoch2021]

 

 

I don't think their going to get it! The Bible speaks for itself

it is what it is and that is the simple hermeneutic of it... My 8

to 12 year old boys see it Love, Steven

 

Ahhhh, Yes SIR!  And why is that in your humble opinion?

 

I believe it is because satan has so entered the camp of the learned that it,

(the Bible), is seen only as a book and not a living entity unique to itself

alone! It is the Spirit of God that cause this uniqueness to be apparent and

causes the seeker to be needful to rid ones self of the that self which repels

the majority that come to It's shores... When God say's something it is so and

only that of the child may embrace it without convoluting it's message

Luke 18:16-17

16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me,

and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Verily I say unto you,

Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise

enter therein.

KJV

As the clear an evident fact that cannot be any other- we are on the ruined side of

the beginning and the only living witness available 'IS' The Word of God!

Love, Steven

 

 

 

 

I don't think their going to get it! The Bible speaks for itself

it is what it is and that is the simple hermeneutic of it... My 8

to 12 year old boys see it Love, Steven

 

Ahhhh, Yes SIR!  And why is that in your humble opinion?

 

I believe it is because satan has so entered the camp of the learned that it,

(the Bible), is seen only as a book and not a living entity unique to itself

alone! It is the Spirit of God that cause this uniqueness to be apparent and

causes the seeker to be needful to rid ones self of the that self which repels

the majority that come to It's shores... When God say's something it is so and

only that of the child may embrace it without convoluting it's message

Luke 18:16-17

16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me,

and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Verily I say unto you,

Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise

enter therein.

KJV

As the clear an evident fact that cannot be any other- we are on the ruined side of

the beginning and the only living witness available 'IS' The Word of God!

Love, Steven

 

 

Agree 10000%

 

And when I was reading your comment concerning your young boys, this kept popping in my head.......

 

(Luke 10:21) "In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said,  I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight."

 

Praise The LORD!!!

 

Carry on Sir!

[LookingForAnswers]

I do believe the heart of a child is necessary to get is into the Kingdom, but from there we are called to grow and mature in our faith. Paul's theology was not that of a child but of a deep, mature understanding

[a-seeker]

I don't think their going to get it! The Bible speaks for itself

it is what it is and that is the simple hermeneutic of it... My 8

to 12 year old boys see it Love, Steven

All respect to your boys, but that isn't really helping much.  They're 8 and 12.  Would you have them teach an adult Sunday School class?  Or give a lecture at Yale on Hebrew?

 

clb

[a-seeker]

 

 

 

Saying, "yeah, the alleged parallels.......I've seen enough of that....sloppy exegesis"  doesn't do anything. It's a trump card and not a good one.  

 

It's not a trump card.  It's just a fact. 

 

Sloppy exegesis?? I haven't seen anything from you that amounts to any exegesis, sloppy or not; just a bunch of scientific quotes and a few dictionary definitions of "day".  That is not exegesis. Anybody with google could come up with that.  Show me some real work.

 

I've posted a lot more than that.  I haven't offered any dictionary terms of "day,"  so you really haven't been paying attention to my posts, so stop pretending that you have actually read much of anything I have said. 

 

Finally, my guess (and I admit it is a guess) is you haven't seen the parallels before.

 

 Yeah, I have heard about all of that.   And on one level I have no real problem with them.   The problem I am seeing here, is that you use the parallels as an alternative to the actual, literal understanding of the text.  I don't buy into that type of approach to the Scripture.  You assigning purposes to the text that are simply not there. 

 

But these, they are completely new to you.  And you don't like that: either because you don't know what to do with them, or because you don't like that there remain things for you to learn....

 

Oh please... This is nothing new.   I forgotten more about this stuff than you know.  You needn't feel you have some grand knowledge. Frankly, I have heard it all before.  

 

" I forgotten more about this stuff than you know."  

 

 

 

We are agreed on this.

 

clb

 

 

P.S.  This.....

 

"Oh please... This is nothing new.   I forgotten more about this stuff than you know.  You needn't feel you have some grand knowledge. Frankly, I have heard it all before."  

 

 

only confirms my point.

 

No, it doesn't confirm your point.   The stuff you are proposing has been proposed by liberal scholarship going back generations.   It wasn't true then and it isn't true now. It is rooted in unbelief, quite honestly and it is a dishonest approach to the text of Scripture.  

 

The book of Genesis is not a liturgy or anything else you are trying to assign to it.  From the standpoint of literary genre it is a historical narrative, none of the liberal, bargain basement musings about parallels and liturgy and anything else that anyone can conjure up to avoid facing the text honestly for what it really is, is going to hold any water.

 

Your approach to the parallels is a hermeneutical trainwreck.

 

By unbelief you mean unbelief in God?  But I believe in God.  Unbelief in Scripture's authority--but I believe in that.  In Jesus?  But I believe in Him.

 

Also, you're falling back on your dogmatic denials which would get you a failing grade in any graduate school. If someone claimed a number of parallels, I would have to demonstrate why they are in fact falsely drawn.  To call it a hermeneutical train wreck will no doubt get you an applause from your fellow YECs, but it only looks like desperation from the other point.

 

Just curious, what do you think of Gleason Archer as an Hebraist?

 

clb

[enoob57]

I do believe the heart of a child is necessary to get is into the Kingdom, but from there we are called to grow and mature in our faith. Paul's theology was not that of a child but of a deep, mature understanding

 

 

I don't think their going to get it! The Bible speaks for itself

it is what it is and that is the simple hermeneutic of it... My 8

to 12 year old boys see it Love, Steven

All respect to your boys, but that isn't really helping much.  They're 8 and 12.  Would you have them teach an adult Sunday School class?  Or give a lecture at Yale on Hebrew?

 

clb

Now don't go getting all 'he referring to me' as I am speaking to the text and reasoning

to that-so that we may reason together in this and possibly become like minded in the

Word of God! Because the last thing in The Reasoning of God 'IS' He's right and all else opposed

is wrong BUT God has instructed and if we have understood then we are made able to obey and bring to Him The

Glory that is in such results!

This is going to be difficult to get across as it is not in the commentaries, or the hearts of

the children but 'IS' and it is a must for us to put together in the understanding of these last

of days! So here goes:

This is the place we begin at to readjust our reason and understanding in God's Word

I notice both of your replies are of the same spirit so I will address them together

as one thought! The indoctrination of the world's system is constant and we become

exhausted in the effort of making it non-effect upon us and yet in that exhaustion

we redefine terms so as not to appear giving in to it -but- that is simply self

deception and the easier way is always one of compromise and the hypocrisy of religion!

2 Tim 2:19-21

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal,

The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the

name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are

not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth;

and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge

himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and

meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

KJV

The natural mind will gravitate to gold and silver as the honorable vessels and the

wood and clay common or dishonorable vessels... however God does not teach us that but

is born out of this world and it's influence! As the greatest material ever honored by God

was The wooden cross upon which He hung yet now rotten and gone! So it was not the wood

but The God Who was willing to allow all that He had made to be used as such to redeem us

from idols of the elevated things of our first begin... As God teaches us that which He

keeps is honored and that which passes away is without honor! Therefore adjust yourselves

to the keeping of God in the things he keeps...

Luke 21:33-36

33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be

overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life,

and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come

on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.36 Watch ye

therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape

all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son

of man.

2 Peter 3:9-11

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count

slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should

perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the

Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall

pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent

heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of

persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

KJV

Also He taught this of the temple

Matt 23:16-22

16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the

temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple,

he is a debtor! 17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold,

or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And, Whosoever shall swear by

the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon

it, he is guilty. 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift,

or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20 Whoso therefore shall swear by

the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21 And whoso shall

swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and

by him that sitteth thereon.

KJV

As everyone can clearly see the things of honor are not the systems influence

that is before us but God Who releases us from this bondage of measure and

values based upon Babylon of this world...

Hence now we can understand

2 Tim 2:19-21

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal,

The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the

name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are

not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth;

and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge

himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and

meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

KJV

if a man purge himself of these things (the value system of this world

placed upon these things) and live in the light of equality of that which

passes away we can begin in the reasoning of righteousness to see that any

in the use toward obedience and God's Glory will be vessels of honor and any

for anything else dishonor no matter the material they are made of!

As this process of renewing of the mind is necessary in all areas so also

what we elevate in knowledge as to worth will only be that formed from His

Word and not that formed from other! Love, Steven

1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are

foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

KJV

[Guest]

....Also, you're falling back on your dogmatic denials which would get you a failing grade in any graduate school....

 

 

The Dogma Of All Bible Believers

 

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

 

Will Stand The Test Of Time

 

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 24:35

 

But Many Doctors

 

But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. Jeremiah 7:23-24

 

Of Philosophy

 

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8

 

Will Not

 

A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.  But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Matthew 12:35-37

 

So Where Can

 

Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Psalms 119:142

 

A Hungry Fellow Turn

 

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:4

 

For A God Cooked Square Meal

 

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (ESV)

 

~

 

Believe

 

He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— John 1:10-12 (NIV)

 

And Be Blessed Beloved

 

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

 

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

 

Love, Joe