Sheniy Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 223 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 And David lamented (v'yak'nun doved) with this lamentation (et hakenah) over Saul and Jonathan his son, (2Sa 1:17) It is actually used twice in both verb and noun form. As a noun (kenah) it refers to a dirge. So the connectionn to sorrow is well established in connection to the name/word kenan. This is what can make Hebrew confusing to the person who isn't a Hebrew reader. It is not as simple as just looking up defintions of words. Hebrew is a very nuanced language and the verbs are particularly interesting with all of the verb stems like Hiphal, Polel, Piel, Qal, Pual, and so forth. What about Methuselah? I'd heard somewhere that his name referenced the coming flood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 And David lamented (v'yak'nun doved) with this lamentation (et hakenah) over Saul and Jonathan his son, (2Sa 1:17) It is actually used twice in both verb and noun form. As a noun (kenah) it refers to a dirge. So the connectionn to sorrow is well established in connection to the name/word kenan. This is what can make Hebrew confusing to the person who isn't a Hebrew reader. It is not as simple as just looking up defintions of words. Hebrew is a very nuanced language and the verbs are particularly interesting with all of the verb stems like Hiphal, Polel, Piel, Qal, Pual, and so forth. What about Methuselah? I'd heard somewhere that his name referenced the coming flood. It might. I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 What I see happening on this thread is that someone wants Enoch 2021 to be wrong. So he will use whatever he can find to prove Enoch 2021 wrong by assuming that any information that may not exactly agree with what Enoch 2021 says is presumed automatically correct on the grounds that Enoch2021 is presumed automatically wrong at the outset. Enoch2021 copied and pasted the work of someone, he cannot be right or wrong he is at best the messenger. To assume it is an attempt to prove E2021 wrong is to give way too much emphasis on him and way too little on the information. All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 What I see happening on this thread is that someone wants Enoch 2021 to be wrong. So he will use whatever he can find to prove Enoch 2021 wrong by assuming that any information that may not exactly agree with what Enoch 2021 says is presumed automatically correct on the grounds that Enoch2021 is presumed automatically wrong at the outset. Enoch2021 copied and pasted the work of someone, he cannot be right or wrong he is at best the messenger. To assume it is an attempt to prove E2021 wrong is to give way too much emphasis on him and way too little on the information. All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuff Yeah, it's not near as dangerous as some of the trash I have seen you promote on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 What I see happening on this thread is that someone wants Enoch 2021 to be wrong. So he will use whatever he can find to prove Enoch 2021 wrong by assuming that any information that may not exactly agree with what Enoch 2021 says is presumed automatically correct on the grounds that Enoch2021 is presumed automatically wrong at the outset. Enoch2021 copied and pasted the work of someone, he cannot be right or wrong he is at best the messenger. To assume it is an attempt to prove E2021 wrong is to give way too much emphasis on him and way too little on the information. All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuff Yeah, it's not near as dangerous as some of the trash I have seen you promote on this board. what are you, 12 or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 What I see happening on this thread is that someone wants Enoch 2021 to be wrong. So he will use whatever he can find to prove Enoch 2021 wrong by assuming that any information that may not exactly agree with what Enoch 2021 says is presumed automatically correct on the grounds that Enoch2021 is presumed automatically wrong at the outset. Enoch2021 copied and pasted the work of someone, he cannot be right or wrong he is at best the messenger. To assume it is an attempt to prove E2021 wrong is to give way too much emphasis on him and way too little on the information. All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuff Yeah, it's not near as dangerous as some of the trash I have seen you promote on this board. what are you, 12 or something? No, but at least I don't promote an a profanily-laced female pastor who likes to flash her breasts at truckdrivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 I didn't promote her, I promoted a book she wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,190 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Then you understand that disgusting people write disgusting things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 ======================================================================================= Last post to you Sir, Dr. Chick Missler is Certifiable by 10100000000000 LOL. And as I said, Shiloh confirmed the Names. Your 5 second Google Search is @ the heart of the problem. make some cosmic connection. Are you calling the Cross a "cosmic connection" ?? Cardinal Directions are on a compass, and a compass is round. Forgive me but..... :24: :24: The Israelites are to camp around the tent of meeting some distance from it They are AROUND IT!! Doesn't mean a circle LOL. Look @ the Picture....are the Camps "AROUND" it!!! Let me remind you.... (Hebrews 10:7) "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." Jesus Christ is on every page in every verse!! Numbers 2: (Numbers 2:3) "And on the east side toward the rising of the sun shall they of the standard of the camp of Judah pitch throughout their armies: and Nahshon the son of Amminadab shall be captain of the children of Judah." (Numbers 2:10) "On the south side shall be the standard of the camp of Reuben according to their armies: and the captain of the children of Reuben shall be Elizur the son of Shedeur." (Numbers 2:18) "On the west side shall be the standard of the camp of Ephraim according to their armies: and the captain of the sons of Ephraim shall be Elishama the son of Ammihud." (Numbers 2:25) "The standard of the camp of Dan shall be on the north side by their armies: and the captain of the children of Dan shall be Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai." The 4 Camps (and Numbers): Judah--- 74,600 Reuben--- 46,500 Ephraim----40,500 Dan------62,700 Issachar--54,400 Simeon---- 59,300 Manasseh--32,200 Asher----41,500 Zebullun--57,400 Gad--------45,650 Benjamin---35,400 Naphtali--53,400 TOTALS: 186,400 151,450 108,100 157,600 LION MAN OX EAGLE The Levites Spoken of in the next Chapter are: 22,300 Large. So, to Obey the LAW and to stay on the Cardinal Directions each Camp could only go so as Wide as the Levites ONLY THE CARDINAL DIRECTIONS ARE ORDAINED!!!! The Jewish Mindset is to follow the Letter of the LAW!!! (See Cardinal Directions Above); that means NO GO for NE/NW/SE/SW. It's actually SIMPLE MATH and ATTENTION TO DETAIL....The CROSS is The Only Option!!!! Special Note: The Symbols of Each Tribe are the Same Faces of the Cherubim around the THRONE OF GOD Wait a second!!! Is Shiloh your dad? Or do you owe him money? What's with your infatuation with Shiloh? Does the scale really go: Scientific claims.....Scientific Method...................................SHILOH and SCRIPTURE!!!! ============================================================= Shiloh and I are Brothers in The LORD Jesus Christ. We have different talents that the LORD has Blessed each of us with.....like the Members of a Body. I have close to Zero knowledge of Hebrew...he is quite obviously a SME. I ask him questions to gain a deeper insight of THE WORD.....I humble myself and LISTEN. Scientific claims.....Scientific Method...................................SHILOH and SCRIPTURE!!!! If Shiloh is Following SCRIPTURE....I fail to see the issue. Anything concerning the OP? You were most assuredly in mind when I posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheniy Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 223 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuffI actually do agree with this.It's fascinating, but we do need to be careful not to add to the Bible what isn't intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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