Guest shiloh357 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I didn't promote her, I promoted a book she wrote. That'a distinction without a difference. That's like saying, "I was promoting Mein Kamph. I wasn't promoting Hitler." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuff I actually do agree with this. It's fascinating, but we do need to be careful not to add to the Bible what isn't intended. ================================================================================================ It's fascinating, but we do need to be careful not to add to the Bible what isn't intended. I actually do agree with this. Are you Serious!! Have you read these THREADS?? Changing and Adding to GOD'S WORD is Standing Operating Procedure from the Majority of posters!!! What does this mean to you: (Proverbs 25:2) "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Pray Tell, where else would HE "CONCEAL A THING" other than in HIS WORD?? Now, I agree there is a Danger here. And that comes with attempting to "DIVINE" something or Foretell Events or some other Trash. In No way have I attempted to do this with the OP. If so, Please show me Where!! The Case for ENOCH/NOAH/CHRIST'S RESURRECTION/PARTING OF THE RED SEA et al wasn't based on "Numerology" or any Apostate Heresy!! It was looking for "PATTERNS" and "TYPES" IN THE WORD of GOD....which are PRETTY APPARENT to the READER. I found it interesting. I wasn't DATE SETTING!!!!! "Prophecy is PATTERN" And my thought was...."would it be surprising if HIS SECOND COMING occurred on the Anniversary of those events"........Ya Think?? And please, for the Love of everything Sacred and Holy.....can we BE SPECIFIC and leave the sweeping generalizations out of discussions. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuff I actually do agree with this. It's fascinating, but we do need to be careful not to add to the Bible what isn't intended. Yeah like adding 4.5 billion years to the age of the earth and callling it "biblical." Claims that there was a pre-adamite earth that existed before our earth was created, Claims that sin and death exisited before Adam and claiming that to be "biblical. All we have seen is people adding stuff to the Bible things that it doesn't say and was never intended. The entire OEC model is rooted in adding to the Bible. "Hi kettle, my name is pot and you're black." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheniy Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 223 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuffI actually do agree with this. It's fascinating, but we do need to be careful not to add to the Bible what isn't intended. Yeah like adding 4.5 billion years to the age of the earth and callling it "biblical." Claims that there was a pre-adamite earth that existed before our earth was created, Claims that sin and death exisited before Adam and claiming that to be "biblical. "Hi kettle, my name is pot and you're black." Exactly. Not sure where the pot and kettle reference comes from, as I've never made such claims. Personally, I think the bible is vague enough about the details of how God created the world (and other things) that any perspective is just speculation. I'm perfectly fine with speculating, as long as I don't claim it as fact. You can tell me I'm wrong again, Shiloh, but it won't change my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 All this numerology stuff and other contrived cosmic connections are in my opinion a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and that is what I am trying to show. I actually find them dangerous and that they take away from the true message of the Bible. Numerology can lead people to mystical extremes, it will cause them to believe numbers can reveal the future, or uncover hidden "truths". E2021 even implied that the dates of his namesakes birth and death can point to the 2nd coming. This is very dangerous stuff I actually do agree with this. It's fascinating, but we do need to be careful not to add to the Bible what isn't intended. Yeah like adding 4.5 billion years to the age of the earth and callling it "biblical." Claims that there was a pre-adamite earth that existed before our earth was created, Claims that sin and death exisited before Adam and claiming that to be "biblical. "Hi kettle, my name is pot and you're black." Exactly. Not sure where the pot and kettle reference comes from, as I've never made such claims. Personally, I think the bible is vague enough about the details of how God created the world (and other things) that any perspective is just speculation. I'm perfectly fine with speculating, as long as I don't claim it as fact. You can tell me I'm wrong again, Shiloh, but it won't change my opinion. The Bible isn't vague about how long creation took, the Bible explicity states that death came through Adam, and the Bible nowhere claims there was a pre-adamite earth. There is enough light present in the creation account that we can separate fact from fiction, if we are willing to do so and have any desire at all to be honest about the text. Speculation is as worthless as a screen door on a Submarine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 Where would God conceal a thing? How about in His creation. Looking at more than just one random verse this would be the context of the passage. My suggestion for Enoch and others is to get the booklet "Never Read A Bible verse". It would help you break the habit of taking a random verse out of context and making mean whatever you want it to. There is nothing in the surrounding passages that suggest this single verse is speaking of God's written word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheniy Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 223 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 Are you Serious!! Have you read these THREADS?? Changing and Adding to GOD'S WORD is Standing Operating Procedure from the Majority of posters!!! Have you not read any of my posts in this thread? I've been agreeing with you, Enoch!! (mostly lol) When someone challenged the names in Genesis 5, I tried to defend it. I failed, but that says more of my lack of knowledge in Hebrew than any problem with the actual meanings. Honestly, I think this stuff is fascinating. All I was saying here was that we need to be careful not to take it too far. Truce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,467 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Are you Serious!! Have you read these THREADS?? Changing and Adding to GOD'S WORD is Standing Operating Procedure from the Majority of posters!!! Have you not read any of my posts in this thread? I've been agreeing with you, Enoch!! (mostly lol) When someone challenged the names in Genesis 5, I tried to defend it. I failed, but that says more of my lack of knowledge in Hebrew than any problem with the actual meanings. Honestly, I think this stuff is fascinating. All I was saying here was that we need to be careful not to take it too far. Truce? Loved one it is God's Word and He has the backing of eternity as without begin and end...So where do you find the need of brakes Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2014 Maybe hit the breaks by not adding to it what is not there? Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 20, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,467 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Maybe hit the breaks by not adding to it what is not there? Just a thoughtWell I think we agree that wouldn't be God's Word... would it You have correctly identified the need to stand on His Word alone by the context alone into the eternity together with Him... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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