Guest Jesse Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Like I said the pre-trib doctrine believers want to add a pre-trib resurrection for the pre-trib rapture to join. The problem still persists the only 2 resurrections remaining happen at the second coming and after the 1000 year reign. There is no pre-trib resurrection spoken about in the Bible, so there is no pre-trib rapture. Now marv wants to add another second resurrection for the unjust after the 1000 year reign. WOW !!!!! Enoch So when do the Fallen Angels go into the Lake of Fire. The A/C and the False Prophet go into the Lake of Fire before the 1000 years (Rev19:20). So yes Scripture says so, Scripture does not support your man made Post-Trib theory. So when does the killing stop; Why the rebellion after the 1000 years by Satan and the nations against Israel and the Holy City if all have received their Resurrected Bodies according to your theory (Rev 20::7-9). Your doctrine is not sound. Why did the those of the First Resurrection follow Satan. Can you answer this million dollar question. Why does Satan go into the Lake of Fire before those of the Great White Throne Judgment, yet after the beast and the False Prophet.? In Christ Montana Marv Can you kindly tell me where it says in the bible that the people of the 1st resurrection followed satan ? thank you I am not sure of your question. There is no such as all in the first resurrection followed satan? They are the true followers of Christ. True christians only will be resurrected. There will be a great test coming. All christians must make a choice. Worship the false prophet and take his mark and live. Or refuse the mark and die for Christ. He who saves his life shall loose it; and he who loses his life for my sake shall find life. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted August 20, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2014 Your right Marv, the resurrection of the just, happens at the second coming, and the resurrection of the unjust, happens after the 1000 year reign Neither is quite right. Have you not read John 5:28-29 and Acts 24:15? The "dead" of Rev.20:5 are spiritually dead in their mortal souls still in that time, still being subject to the "second death" which is the casting into the "lake of fire" at the end of the thousand years. But they are in the "resurrection of damnation" all throughout Christ's thousand years reign. This is why Jesus said in Rev.3:9 to those of the Church of Philadelphia that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" come to bow at His elect's feet. Per Ezek.44 Christ's elect during the Millennium will be teaching the difference between the clean and the unclean, and those will stand in judgment in that thousand years. The wicked could not do that if they were still literally dead in graves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 There will be only two resurrection one at Jesus second coming for the righteous and the other after the 1000 years for the wicked to be judge John 5:28-29King James Version (KJV) 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Acts 24:15King James Version (KJV) 15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV) 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 1.The first resurrection, only the ones in christ. After the test and passed. 2.The second resurrection, all the dead; the just and the unjust.The sheep and the goats. judged by the books. jesse. Dear Jesse the dead and alive in Christ are resurrected and caught up respectfully, where did the second set of just persons came from after the 1000 years ? 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18King James Version (KJV) 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Justfiath. I love questions. 1. At the second coming/resurrection. All in the truth,in the graves or alive, will be resurrected. The first fruits first. The rest of the dead in graves, and armageddon survivors will not be resurrected. 2. They will multiply during the thousand year reign, out side the square/kingdom.(rev.21:17). Only the chosen jews will be inside the square/kingdom(paradise for the jews). (A kingdom for the saints).saints will rule. 3.After the thousand years: The second judement. The resurrection of all people on earth, of all generations and all religions. Judged by their works,by the books.(not by Christ). 4.The sheep put on the right, and the goats on the left. The goats cast in the fire. The sheep changed into spirit. 5.All spirit now: The corrupted earth(physically), will be melted; and a new earth formed. jesse. Who is a saint ? Does not the righteous change into a spiritual body at Jesus second coming Why wait until the dividing of the sheep and goat ? Are you saying the new city will be on the earth during the 1000 yrs ? Thanks Saints are the resurrected.angels are also called saints for they are holy. The sheep on the right and the goats on the left,not at the coming; because there is no dividing during the second coming. Only the true christians will be resurrected and the rest left behind. The thousand year kingdom will be in israel;Jerusalem as the capitol city. Jerusalem once more as paradise for the jews in the flesh.They will be at rest,no pain no tears no wars.lions eat straw. But a kingdom for the saints and Christ.They will rule as kings and priests. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfaith Posted August 21, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 309 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2014 There will be only two resurrection one at Jesus second coming for the righteous and the other after the 1000 years for the wicked to be judge John 5:28-29King James Version (KJV) 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Acts 24:15King James Version (KJV) 15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV) 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 1.The first resurrection, only the ones in christ. After the test and passed. 2.The second resurrection, all the dead; the just and the unjust.The sheep and the goats. judged by the books. jesse. Dear Jesse the dead and alive in Christ are resurrected and caught up respectfully, where did the second set of just persons came from after the 1000 years ? 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18King James Version (KJV) 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Justfiath. I love questions. 1. At the second coming/resurrection. All in the truth,in the graves or alive, will be resurrected. The first fruits first. The rest of the dead in graves, and armageddon survivors will not be resurrected. 2. They will multiply during the thousand year reign, out side the square/kingdom.(rev.21:17). Only the chosen jews will be inside the square/kingdom(paradise for the jews). (A kingdom for the saints).saints will rule. 3.After the thousand years: The second judement. The resurrection of all people on earth, of all generations and all religions. Judged by their works,by the books.(not by Christ). 4.The sheep put on the right, and the goats on the left. The goats cast in the fire. The sheep changed into spirit. 5.All spirit now: The corrupted earth(physically), will be melted; and a new earth formed. jesse. Who is a saint ? Does not the righteous change into a spiritual body at Jesus second coming Why wait until the dividing of the sheep and goat ? Are you saying the new city will be on the earth during the 1000 yrs ? Thanks Saints are the resurrected.angels are also called saints for they are holy. The sheep on the right and the goats on the left,not at the coming; because there is no dividing during the second coming. Only the true christians will be resurrected and the rest left behind. The thousand year kingdom will be in israel;Jerusalem as the capitol city. Jerusalem once more as paradise for the jews in the flesh.They will be at rest,no pain no tears no wars.lions eat straw. But a kingdom for the saints and Christ.They will rule as kings and priests. jesse. To whom is this speaking to as the priest the Jews or Gentiles ? thanks 61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified. 4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. 5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves. 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Guest Jesse Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 There will be only two resurrection one at Jesus second coming for the righteous and the other after the 1000 years for the wicked to be judge John 5:28-29King James Version (KJV) 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Acts 24:15King James Version (KJV) 15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV) 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 1.The first resurrection, only the ones in christ. After the test and passed. 2.The second resurrection, all the dead; the just and the unjust.The sheep and the goats. judged by the books. jesse. Dear Jesse the dead and alive in Christ are resurrected and caught up respectfully, where did the second set of just persons came from after the 1000 years ? 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18King James Version (KJV) 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Justfiath. I love questions. 1. At the second coming/resurrection. All in the truth,in the graves or alive, will be resurrected. The first fruits first. The rest of the dead in graves, and armageddon survivors will not be resurrected. 2. They will multiply during the thousand year reign, out side the square/kingdom.(rev.21:17). Only the chosen jews will be inside the square/kingdom(paradise for the jews). (A kingdom for the saints).saints will rule. 3.After the thousand years: The second judement. The resurrection of all people on earth, of all generations and all religions. Judged by their works,by the books.(not by Christ). 4.The sheep put on the right, and the goats on the left. The goats cast in the fire. The sheep changed into spirit. 5.All spirit now: The corrupted earth(physically), will be melted; and a new earth formed. jesse. Who is a saint ? Does not the righteous change into a spiritual body at Jesus second coming Why wait until the dividing of the sheep and goat ? Are you saying the new city will be on the earth during the 1000 yrs ? Thanks Saints are the resurrected.angels are also called saints for they are holy. The sheep on the right and the goats on the left,not at the coming; because there is no dividing during the second coming. Only the true christians will be resurrected and the rest left behind. The thousand year kingdom will be in israel;Jerusalem as the capitol city. Jerusalem once more as paradise for the jews in the flesh.They will be at rest,no pain no tears no wars.lions eat straw. But a kingdom for the saints and Christ.They will rule as kings and priests. jesse. To whom is this speaking to as the priest the Jews or Gentiles ? thanks 61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified. 4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. 5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves. The church foundation is build on twelve jews.rev 21. They shall build houses and plant vineyards and eat the fruits there of. They shall be at rest. They shall be the priests and ministers, and teach the gentiles living outside the square. The gentiles whom they have served shall now serve them. The resurrected saints shall be their teachers,and Christ king of kings. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted August 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2014 The church foundation is build on twelve jews.rev 21. They shall build houses and plant vineyards and eat the fruits there of.They shall be at rest.They shall be the priests and ministers, and teach the gentiles living outside the square.The gentiles whom they have served shall now serve them.The resurrected saints shall be their teachers,and Christ king of kings. jesse.Jesse, the church is not built upon the twelve Apostles, but upon Christ. He is the cornerstone which everything else is built upon.Revelation 21 is speaking about the new heaven, new earth and the New Jerusalem, not the church.I am not sure where you got your ideas from, care to tell us? They sound familiar, but I don't want to assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The church foundation is build on twelve jews.rev 21. They shall build houses and plant vineyards and eat the fruits there of. They shall be at rest. They shall be the priests and ministers, and teach the gentiles living outside the square. The gentiles whom they have served shall now serve them. The resurrected saints shall be their teachers,and Christ king of kings. jesse. Jesse, the church is not built upon the twelve Apostles, but upon Christ. He is the cornerstone which everything else is built upon. Revelation 21 is speaking about the new heaven, new earth and the New Jerusalem, not the church. I am not sure where you got your ideas from, care to tell us? They sound familiar, but I don't want to assume. One light. Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. Of which Jesus is the cornerstone of the foundation. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted August 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2014 Jesse Christ is the foundation of the Church/ His Body, He is the cornerstone which the Church stands on. The New Jerusalem is not the Church. Another thing about the 144,000. These are not the Church, if so the Boat was full 2000 years ago, and then we have nothing. These are special Jews, appointed and sealed to do their work during the Mill. They are not sealed for what they might do during the 70th Week; But for what they will do during the 1000 years. They follow the Lamb, and they sing a new song. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Jesse Christ is the foundation of the Church/ His Body, He is the cornerstone which the Church stands on. The New Jerusalem is not the Church. Another thing about the 144,000. These are not the Church, if so the Boat was full 2000 years ago, and then we have nothing. These are special Jews, appointed and sealed to do their work during the Mill. They are not sealed for what they might do during the 70th Week; But for what they will do during the 1000 years. They follow the Lamb, and they sing a new song. In Christ Montana Marv Montane. I have never said, what you claim me of saying. You must have misunderstood. The church is build on the twelve apostle of which Jesus is the cornerstone.Rev 21:14. The 144000 is not the whole church,but part of it. All TRUE christians is the church,and Jesus the head of the church. The 144000 are the very elect of the church,they are the FIRST FRUITS. The rest of the church must go through tribulation to make them white. They must be purified,for they are not clean. Our righteousnes are like dirty raggs before God. Spiritual jerusalem is the bride of christ, which is the true church.rev21:9---- jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted August 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2014 Jesse The 144,000 are all Jewish. The 144,000 are special elect out of Israel, they are not the Church. The Church is built on the Word - Jesus Christ - it is not built on the Apostles. We as the Church are already clean/spotless. We don't need to go through the Trib. to prove anything. I will add more later In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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