Work in Progress Posted December 28, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,111 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/29/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2004 Right on, Shiloh. I live in the poorest county in my state. I am surrounded by those you speak about. It is hard not to be disgusted, and to find some Christian love for them. They think of nothing but the moment and when the next government check comes - which they think they have a "right" to. And, when they get it, they complain. Unbelieveable. Reb, ITA with you too. Eadora, everything you promote here is totally anti-Biblical. Read it, please. We "deserve" nothing. You can get a job at McDonald's in Kodiak Alaska and the starting wage is $10.00 an hr. Really??? If I come down there for work, will you put me up 'till I find a place? Nah..........I could NEVER take the cold!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eadora Posted December 28, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 226 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1945 Share Posted December 28, 2004 (edited) Yikes - One atta time Shiloh357 quote Edited December 28, 2004 by Eadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eadora Posted December 28, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 226 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1945 Share Posted December 28, 2004 [Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted December 28, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Please correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't the minimum wage different in every state? Here in Calif it's $6.75 per hour. Yes I think it needs to be raised. when a gallon milk is almost $4.00 we need to give the ones working for minimum wage a boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted December 28, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Author Share Posted December 28, 2004 Rusty, you're half-right. While each state can set it's own minimum wage, the Federal Gov't set it's own. If I'm not mistaken, the states can set one higher, but not lower than the Fed one. Anyone know if I'm wrong? Thanks, t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eadora Posted December 28, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 226 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1945 Share Posted December 28, 2004 I quote: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 In order to do that, I contend that a LIVABLE minimum wage must be paid. So Eadora just what IS a livable minimum wage? How do you define "livable?" Everyone has different needs and prices are different across the country. What is livable in one area is not "livable" in another part of the country. What if you make the Federal minimum wage $8 hr? Try living in California or Hawaii on $8 an hr. You can't. "Livable" is relative. You cannot have a single minimum wage, and there is no way to determine what is livable from one family to another. You are simply being unrealistic. Plus you still have not addressed how you plan to keep business from laying off employees to compensate for the increase in wages. Plus what about business owners who cease creating new businesses? When they have to pay more, they lose incentive to open up new restaraunts, and shoppping centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eadora Posted December 29, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 226 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1945 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Shiloh357 & The Last Rebel Soldier. Thank you for well thought responses. Instead of attack. I must leave the computer for a while. Other obligations. And I will admit. You give me pause for thought. I like this better than to having to defend my basic concepts Over and over again, against accusations of being Un Biblical or Communistic. Even though you may still feel them to be. I don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted December 29, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,111 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/29/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2004 I will not dispute your anecdotes involving abuse by those in poverty. I would however resent the DEMONIZATION of the poverty stricken. Oh, please. I lived below the poverty level for years - and we lived within our means. And we worked our tails off to get out of that situation. What I was "demonizing", as you already know, is those who have totally screwed up priorities and don't give a thought to a moment in the future, but live totally for the moment at hand, and do nothing to better themselves. Who exactly are these "poverty stricken"??? There are food stamps and cash for those under a certain income level - they get more money for food every month than I do. There are medical benefits for those under a certain income level - much better benefits than mine, which we pay dearly for. Eye coverage, braces for the kids, contact lenses - all things I must pay out of pocket for with no coverage. There is subsidized housing for those of a certain income level - at a housing facility near me, they pay either $17 or $38 dollars a month for their 2 or 3 bedroom apartment - utilities included. No typos there - $17 or $38 dollars . So, who exactly are these "poverty stricken" people?? I know they are in Africa and other countries, but in American, noone has to go to bed hungry. It sounds to me like what you really think is that everyone deserves and should have the "American Dream" - nice house in a nice neighborhood, two nice cars in the driveway, "extras".....I don't agree. That's something you have to work hard for. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eadora Posted December 29, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 226 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1945 Share Posted December 29, 2004 (edited) [shiloh 357 & The Last Rebel Soldier Edited December 29, 2004 by Eadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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