alexhasquestions Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) The sin that came upon Adam when he disobeyed God has infected all of mankind like a disease. We cannot escape its effects on us. We are now all rendered incomplete and unworthy of heaven, so God made a way back to Him through His wonderful Son Jesus! As for the angels, only one third of their population fell with Lucifer. The rest remained in their holy position, serving God. Welcome to Worthy, Alex! But I was not even brought into existence yet. Why am I torn apart from my creator because of a decision someone else made? Why should I have to inherit that punishment? You also stated not all angels were held accountable for Satan's decision. So why should I be held accountable for Adam/Eve's? Our Creator doesn't tear anyone apart. His Creation has been "kidnapped" in a sense, and robbed of its perfect standing with Him by an interloper. He has ransomed us back by the price paid by His Son. If you want to remain with your captor, He gives you every right to do so...but don't forget that we all have a father---either God or Satan, and it has now become a choice for us to make: who will you serve? Righteous angels are not soiled by choosing to follow the infidel among them, but that infidel, Satan, infected humanity, and so they need a deliverer...Jesus Christ. So angels are somehow immune to the decisions of Satan but we are not immune to the decisions of Adam and Eve? Why is this? One man falls, all men fall. One angel falls, not all of them fall? Edited July 14, 2014 by alexhasquestions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Angels do not beget other angels, so they cannot pass on the defect of sin. Adam and Eve passed on that defect, which includes physical death to their offspring, and so we cannot escape it. We need the deliverance that only comes through a perfect deliverer---Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexhasquestions Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 Angels do not beget other angels, so they cannot pass on the defect of sin. Adam and Eve passed on that defect, which includes physical death to their offspring, and so we cannot escape it. We need the deliverance that only comes through a perfect deliverer---Jesus. So angels can escape it but we can't. Why is this? Why are the circumstances surrounding my existence so different from that of the existence of angels? Why do they have such a big advantage? It seems like they get a get out of jail free pass. They do not have to work towards rebuilding a relationship or pleasing God because they are already perfect in his eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Angels do not beget other angels, so they cannot pass on the defect of sin. Adam and Eve passed on that defect, which includes physical death to their offspring, and so we cannot escape it. We need the deliverance that only comes through a perfect deliverer---Jesus. So angels can escape it but we can't. Why is this? Why are the circumstances surrounding my existence so different from that of the existence of angels? Why do they have such a big advantage? It seems like they get a get out of jail free pass. They do not have to work towards rebuilding a relationship or pleasing God because they are already perfect in his eyes. Angels are heavenly creatures. They are not like us and have been created for another purpose. We were created to have fellowship with God---intimate fellowship. Angels (a whole order of them) are ministering spirits doing the will of God---concerning us. God's love and focus is man. Fallen angels are not on the hook for sin except the fallen ones who chose rebellion against God---there is no hope for them, but there is hope for us because He loves us so much! Righteous angels remained in their roles and did not rebel. Why should they be cast out of heaven with the rebels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexhasquestions Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 You say that you think that humans were supposed to be some perfect things and live forever, but I would disagree. With very little research on the matter I have found one verse that contradicts this: You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 http://www.openbible.info/topics/god_made_us_perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2014 The punishment for sin is for the sins you commit. Not one person is without sin. The Lord, knowing people would sin, provided a way for their sins to be paid for. Get to know Jesus. He is your escape from punishment for sin. But why is it I have to work towards a relationship with God in the first place? Why is it broken? Your sins keep you from God. There is only one way to repair that: through Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2014 You say that you think that humans were supposed to be some perfect things and live forever, but I would disagree. With very little research on the matter I have found one verse that contradicts this: You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 http://www.openbible.info/topics/god_made_us_perfect Understand that verse in context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexhasquestions Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 Angels do not beget other angels, so they cannot pass on the defect of sin. Adam and Eve passed on that defect, which includes physical death to their offspring, and so we cannot escape it. We need the deliverance that only comes through a perfect deliverer---Jesus. So angels can escape it but we can't. Why is this? Why are the circumstances surrounding my existence so different from that of the existence of angels? Why do they have such a big advantage? It seems like they get a get out of jail free pass. They do not have to work towards rebuilding a relationship or pleasing God because they are already perfect in his eyes. Angels are heavenly creatures. They are not like us and have been created for another purpose. We were created to have fellowship with God---intimate fellowship. Angels (a whole order of them) are ministering spirits doing the will of God---concerning us. God's love and focus is man. Fallen angels are not on the hook for sin except the fallen ones who chose rebellion against God---there is no hope for them, but there is hope for us because He loves us so much! Righteous angels remained in their roles and did not rebel. Why should they be cast out of heaven with the rebels? This wavering love you speak of concerns me. If he is willing to offer reconciliation to some of his creation but not all then I cannot see how is he fair or loving. But again, this is not the primary part of my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexhasquestions Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 The punishment for sin is for the sins you commit. Not one person is without sin. The Lord, knowing people would sin, provided a way for their sins to be paid for. Get to know Jesus. He is your escape from punishment for sin. But why is it I have to work towards a relationship with God in the first place? Why is it broken? Your sins keep you from God. There is only one way to repair that: through Jesus. Exactly. My sins keep me from God. But my question revolves around the idea that why does Adam/Eve's sins keep me from God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted July 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted July 14, 2014 You say that you think that humans were supposed to be some perfect things and live forever, but I would disagree. With very little research on the matter I have found one verse that contradicts this: You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 http://www.openbible.info/topics/god_made_us_perfect That word, "perfect" means "be made complete"---grow in good moral character. If you are going to seek through the bible for verses to help you remain in your doubt---you won't be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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