Salty Posted August 16, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2014 Did you not read the scriptures in the OP, mentioning sun, moon and stars 15 times. You're expecting the sun, moon and stars to be in every scripture?? Come on now. The OP scriptures ARE about the second coming. Work with me here Salty. Have you not read Apostle Paul's declarations of the timing of Christ's coming and gathering of His Church that do not include your personal requirement, like 2 Thess.2 and 1 Thess.4? Are you saying Paul was not talking about Christ's second coming in those 2 Thess.2 and 1 Thess.4 Scriptures? Why are you wanting to 'key' only on those sun darkened, moon not give its light, stars falling phrases? I'm going to show you one of your errors of thinking involving that, within the 6th Seal timing. You may or may not grasp it, I don't know. Rev.6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Why did our Lord give that specific part "even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dscapp Posted August 16, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/20/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Did you not read the scriptures in the OP, mentioning sun, moon and stars 15 times. You're expecting the sun, moon and stars to be in every scripture?? Come on now. The OP scriptures ARE about the second coming. Work with me here Salty. Have you not read Apostle Paul's declarations of the timing of Christ's coming and gathering of His Church that do not include your personal requirement, like 2 Thess.2 and 1 Thess.4? Are you saying Paul was not talking about Christ's second coming in those 2 Thess.2 and 1 Thess.4 Scriptures? Why are you wanting to 'key' only on those sun darkened, moon not give its light, stars falling phrases? I'm going to show you one of your errors of thinking involving that, within the 6th Seal timing. You may or may not grasp it, I don't know. Rev.6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Why did our Lord give that specific part "even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs"? Yes, Thessalonians talks about rapture but in a different way... it talks about our (bodies being made new). The scriptures in the OP state the timeline of the rapture. Bodies and timeline are two different topics. We're discussing timeline here. Edited August 16, 2014 by dscapp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted August 16, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2014 Did you not read the scriptures in the OP, mentioning sun, moon and stars 15 times. You're expecting the sun, moon and stars to be in every scripture?? Come on now. The OP scriptures ARE about the second coming. Work with me here Salty. Have you not read Apostle Paul's declarations of the timing of Christ's coming and gathering of His Church that do not include your personal requirement, like 2 Thess.2 and 1 Thess.4? Are you saying Paul was not talking about Christ's second coming in those 2 Thess.2 and 1 Thess.4 Scriptures? Why are you wanting to 'key' only on those sun darkened, moon not give its light, stars falling phrases? I'm going to show you one of your errors of thinking involving that, within the 6th Seal timing. You may or may not grasp it, I don't know. Rev.6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Why did our Lord give that specific part "even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs"? This is a description of what the stars falling looks like. Seasoned fruit still hanging on a tree will be cast down in high numbers when a strong winds blow. My Interlinear reads: "and the stars of the heaven fall into the land as fig tree is casting the whole looses of her under great wind being quaked." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 There will be no rapture nor resurrection before the 7th trumpet, the coming. The last trump must sound first. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dscapp Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/20/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 There will be no rapture nor resurrection before the 7th trumpet, the coming. The last trump must sound first. jesse. Hi Jesse. I'm not sure where your timeline falls in. Can you provide scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindsfeet Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 201 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/16/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2014 Another Nugget for the Sixth Seal Timing: Isa 34:4 KJV - And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 There will be no rapture nor resurrection before the 7th trumpet, the coming. The last trump must sound first. jesse. Hi Jesse. I'm not sure where your timeline falls in. Can you provide scripture. Hi Dscapp. 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the ***last trump***: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Last trump means the 7th trumpet. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindsfeet Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 201 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/16/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2014 There are more than one set of Trumpets. 1Th 4:16 KJV - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Num 10:2 KJV - Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dscapp Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/20/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hi Dscapp. 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the ***last trump***: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Last trump means the 7th trumpet. jesse. Are the trumpets of 1 Cor. 15:52 and Rev. 11:15-18 the same event? The answer is "no." The fact that the seventh trumpet of the seven trumpet series in Revelation is the last mentioned trumpet in the book (Rev. 11:15-18) and that Paul indicates the rapture will occur at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15:52) does not a priori mean that the same event is cited. A grammatical and lexical study demonstrates that 1 Corinthians 15:52 denotes the actual blasting of a trumpet. The idea is that of a last blast of a particular trumpet. At the last blast of a trumpet, the dead will be raised. The name of this trumpet is not "the last trumpet." This is not what Paul is indicating here. Rather, the focus is on the sound of the trumpet. This passage gives no clue what trumpet is blown. Only that when the last blast occurs, the dead will be raised. Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 that this trumpet is the trumpet of God. This is the actual name of the trumpet which will be blown at the rapture, the last blast of which will signal the time of resurrection for dead saints. The first time the trumpet of God appears in Scripture can be traced back to Exodus 19:10-20:21. There the trumpet not only served to alert the people to the coming of God into man's domain, but also to warn the people of the seriousness of the moment. This will be the case again at the rapture of the church when God the Father comes with Jesus to deliver the righteous and begin the punishment of the wicked. The seventh trumpet of Revelation is but one of seven trumpets that introduces judgment against the world. These trumpets do not introduce one example of deliverance. They are clearly the judgment of God against those who dwell on the earth. The sequences demands that the church be removed before the first trumpet because the wrath of God is involved. Isaiah 27:13 states, "It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown; and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the LORD in the holy mountain at Jerusalem." This passage indicates that the seventh trumpet of Revelation is not the last trumpet to be blown in human history. This trumpet called the "great trumpet" will call Israel back to the land after the Seventieth week of Daniel ends. Thus we can conclude correctly that Paul's trumpet blast and the trumpets of Revelation are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hi Dscapp. 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the ***last trump***: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Last trump means the 7th trumpet. jesse. Are the trumpets of 1 Cor. 15:52 and Rev. 11:15-18 the same event? The answer is "no." The fact that the seventh trumpet of the seven trumpet series in Revelation is the last mentioned trumpet in the book (Rev. 11:15-18) and that Paul indicates the rapture will occur at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15:52) does not a priori mean that the same event is cited. A grammatical and lexical study demonstrates that 1 Corinthians 15:52 denotes the actual blasting of a trumpet. The idea is that of a last blast of a particular trumpet. At the last blast of a trumpet, the dead will be raised. The name of this trumpet is not "the last trumpet." This is not what Paul is indicating here. Rather, the focus is on the sound of the trumpet. This passage gives no clue what trumpet is blown. Only that when the last blast occurs, the dead will be raised. Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 that this trumpet is the trumpet of God. This is the actual name of the trumpet which will be blown at the rapture, the last blast of which will signal the time of resurrection for dead saints. The first time the trumpet of God appears in Scripture can be traced back to Exodus 19:10-20:21. There the trumpet not only served to alert the people to the coming of God into man's domain, but also to warn the people of the seriousness of the moment. This will be the case again at the rapture of the church when God the Father comes with Jesus to deliver the righteous and begin the punishment of the wicked. The seventh trumpet of Revelation is but one of seven trumpets that introduces judgment against the world. These trumpets do not introduce one example of deliverance. They are clearly the judgment of God against those who dwell on the earth. The sequences demands that the church be removed before the first trumpet because the wrath of God is involved. Isaiah 27:13 states, "It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown; and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the LORD in the holy mountain at Jerusalem." This passage indicates that the seventh trumpet of Revelation is not the last trumpet to be blown in human history. This trumpet called the "great trumpet" will call Israel back to the land after the Seventieth week of Daniel ends. Thus we can conclude correctly that Paul's trumpet blast and the trumpets of Revelation are not the same. Dscapp. There are only seven trumpets.There is no 8th trumpet. At the coming Jesus will come with his armies in heaven and Micha'el as chief of the army. He will sound the last trumpet. At the coming. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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