Guest Jesse Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That is not correct. I will address each issue below. Yes,there are jews specially elected to be brought back to their own land israel. There is no indication in scripture that they were first dead in order to be "brought back". Please provide scripture where you find this so we can discus them. But it will be paradise. They will be at rest,no pain, no tears, no wars. The spears into ploughshares and the sword into pruning hooks. the lion will eat straw. All will live upto one hundred years old. The bear and the lamb will be together. This will be paradise revisited. And the saints kingdom. The 144,000 are sealed and on earth doing His will during the tribulation. What you are describing is how life is said to be after the New Heaven and New Earth is created and the New Jerusalem is brought to earth, not before. Your timetable is wrong. The sealed are not many. These are they whom the father sealed.John 6:27. jesse. No, they are who are sealed in Revelation 7:4-8, as I provided the scripture above. The seal in John 6:27 speaks only about Jesus, nobody else. John 6:26-27Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.” John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: ***for him hath God the Father sealed***.(Jesus does not need any sealing)( he is the creator). You neglect the fact that when Christ walked on this earth, He stepped down from His authority as God and had to be ministered to by Angels and sealed with the Holy Spirit as we all do. Yes, God did place a seal on Him as we read in John 6:27. This is clearly seen, without mistake, when examining the Greek: "for the Father seals the God" Do you agree? The sealed are only 144000,not 144000 plus one. No, I do not agree because there are more than one type of "seal" We read that all believers are seal by the Holy Spirit: Ephesians 1:13-14In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. The 144,000 have a different seal from God: Revelation 7:3“Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” and Revelation 14:1Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. No one can come to God but by Jesus. The jews before Christ have not gone through Christ. Can not come to God through the back door. Jesus is the door;He died on the cross for all. You have misunderstood. The kingdom of God will be on earth after the second coming. Christ will rule as king of kings and the saints as kings and Priests,for one thousand years. They will rule over the remnant of the chosen jews. The jews will be taught Christ. They also must go through Christ. I am glad to discus this,with you. jesse It is not me who is misunderstanding scripture. It is obvious that you have many errors in your understanding. Christ does reign for 1000 years, but with a rod of iron, not a place where the lamb will lay down with the lion, where everything will be all rosy. Those who are left to live in the 1000 years are not only Jews, but the whole world. Have you not read that after the 1000 years are up, Satan is loosed for a little while to gather another army from the four corners of the world? You should really return to scripture to see what it really says. May I ask under what church have you been taught this? My teacher is the Holy spirit,not any church. What church have taught you? Besides the Holy Spirit teaching me directly, I also have sat under the teaching of others who are His, learning a lot from the true body of Christ, being corrected and held accountable for my beliefs. I am not an island. You would do well, and find wisdom, in listening to those who are further down the road in their walk with Christ, more mature in Him. The major problem with someone who only accepts what they believe is being taught to them by the Holy Spirit is when they are wrong, they refuse correction. This site has many who truly understand scripture. I would advise, advice I also had to accept, that you listen to what others say and search scripture to see if it is true or not, questioning when not fully understood (not assuming you fully understand) and seek clarity from others in what they present. Do not place yourself in a position where you are continually defending your belief. Instead, try to gain more understanding and knowledge. The scriptures can not be broken. No man can come to the father but by Me. Jesus is the new covenant. Jews before Christ have not the the new covenant. There are jews reserved for paradise,which is the saint's kingdom. All in Christ only will be the saints. Some christian jews will also be the saints. All chosed jews will also be the saints, but after they have gone through Christ during the thousand years. God will provoke them to jealousy by choosing the gentiles first. The first shall be last, and the last shall be first. jesse. The above is exactly what I was speaking to in the first part of my reply. I was not replying to who is saved, how they are save, or if the Jewish people will come to a complete understanding of Christ, but to those who will reign with Christ during the millennium and what it will be like during that time. Instead of addressing what I was speaking to, you go off into an argument that is not even part of this conversation. Slow down and read what is written to you. One light. I tought I made ot clear. The resurrected saints will rule over the jews brought back in the flesh. Not all jews;but the remnant chosen by God. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfaith Posted August 21, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 309 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2014 That is not correct. I will address each issue below. Yes,there are jews specially elected to be brought back to their own land israel. There is no indication in scripture that they were first dead in order to be "brought back". Please provide scripture where you find this so we can discus them. But it will be paradise. They will be at rest,no pain, no tears, no wars. The spears into ploughshares and the sword into pruning hooks. the lion will eat straw. All will live upto one hundred years old. The bear and the lamb will be together. This will be paradise revisited. And the saints kingdom. The 144,000 are sealed and on earth doing His will during the tribulation. What you are describing is how life is said to be after the New Heaven and New Earth is created and the New Jerusalem is brought to earth, not before. Your timetable is wrong. The sealed are not many. These are they whom the father sealed.John 6:27. jesse. No, they are who are sealed in Revelation 7:4-8, as I provided the scripture above. The seal in John 6:27 speaks only about Jesus, nobody else. John 6:26-27Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.” John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: ***for him hath God the Father sealed***.(Jesus does not need any sealing)( he is the creator). You neglect the fact that when Christ walked on this earth, He stepped down from His authority as God and had to be ministered to by Angels and sealed with the Holy Spirit as we all do. Yes, God did place a seal on Him as we read in John 6:27. This is clearly seen, without mistake, when examining the Greek: "for the Father seals the God" Do you agree? The sealed are only 144000,not 144000 plus one. No, I do not agree because there are more than one type of "seal" We read that all believers are seal by the Holy Spirit: Ephesians 1:13-14In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. The 144,000 have a different seal from God: Revelation 7:3“Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” and Revelation 14:1Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. No one can come to God but by Jesus. The jews before Christ have not gone through Christ. Can not come to God through the back door. Jesus is the door;He died on the cross for all. You have misunderstood. The kingdom of God will be on earth after the second coming. Christ will rule as king of kings and the saints as kings and Priests,for one thousand years. They will rule over the remnant of the chosen jews. The jews will be taught Christ. They also must go through Christ. I am glad to discus this,with you. jesse It is not me who is misunderstanding scripture. It is obvious that you have many errors in your understanding. Christ does reign for 1000 years, but with a rod of iron, not a place where the lamb will lay down with the lion, where everything will be all rosy. Those who are left to live in the 1000 years are not only Jews, but the whole world. Have you not read that after the 1000 years are up, Satan is loosed for a little while to gather another army from the four corners of the world? You should really return to scripture to see what it really says. May I ask under what church have you been taught this? My teacher is the Holy spirit,not any church. What church have taught you? Besides the Holy Spirit teaching me directly, I also have sat under the teaching of others who are His, learning a lot from the true body of Christ, being corrected and held accountable for my beliefs. I am not an island. You would do well, and find wisdom, in listening to those who are further down the road in their walk with Christ, more mature in Him. The major problem with someone who only accepts what they believe is being taught to them by the Holy Spirit is when they are wrong, they refuse correction. This site has many who truly understand scripture. I would advise, advice I also had to accept, that you listen to what others say and search scripture to see if it is true or not, questioning when not fully understood (not assuming you fully understand) and seek clarity from others in what they present. Do not place yourself in a position where you are continually defending your belief. Instead, try to gain more understanding and knowledge. The scriptures can not be broken. No man can come to the father but by Me. Jesus is the new covenant. Jews before Christ have not the the new covenant. There are jews reserved for paradise,which is the saint's kingdom. All in Christ only will be the saints. Some christian jews will also be the saints. All chosed jews will also be the saints, but after they have gone through Christ during the thousand years. God will provoke them to jealousy by choosing the gentiles first. The first shall be last, and the last shall be first. jesse. The above is exactly what I was speaking to in the first part of my reply. I was not replying to who is saved, how they are save, or if the Jewish people will come to a complete understanding of Christ, but to those who will reign with Christ during the millennium and what it will be like during that time. Instead of addressing what I was speaking to, you go off into an argument that is not even part of this conversation. Slow down and read what is written to you. One light. I tought I made ot clear. The resurrected saints will rule over the jews brought back in the flesh. Not all jews;but the remnant chosen by God. jesse. Both Jew and Gentile Revelation 2:26-27King James Version (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That is not correct. I will address each issue below. Yes,there are jews specially elected to be brought back to their own land israel. There is no indication in scripture that they were first dead in order to be "brought back". Please provide scripture where you find this so we can discus them. But it will be paradise. They will be at rest,no pain, no tears, no wars. The spears into ploughshares and the sword into pruning hooks. the lion will eat straw. All will live upto one hundred years old. The bear and the lamb will be together. This will be paradise revisited. And the saints kingdom. The 144,000 are sealed and on earth doing His will during the tribulation. What you are describing is how life is said to be after the New Heaven and New Earth is created and the New Jerusalem is brought to earth, not before. Your timetable is wrong. The sealed are not many. These are they whom the father sealed.John 6:27. jesse. No, they are who are sealed in Revelation 7:4-8, as I provided the scripture above. The seal in John 6:27 speaks only about Jesus, nobody else. John 6:26-27Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.” John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: ***for him hath God the Father sealed***.(Jesus does not need any sealing)( he is the creator). You neglect the fact that when Christ walked on this earth, He stepped down from His authority as God and had to be ministered to by Angels and sealed with the Holy Spirit as we all do. Yes, God did place a seal on Him as we read in John 6:27. This is clearly seen, without mistake, when examining the Greek: "for the Father seals the God" Do you agree? The sealed are only 144000,not 144000 plus one. No, I do not agree because there are more than one type of "seal" We read that all believers are seal by the Holy Spirit: Ephesians 1:13-14In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. The 144,000 have a different seal from God: Revelation 7:3“Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” and Revelation 14:1Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. No one can come to God but by Jesus. The jews before Christ have not gone through Christ. Can not come to God through the back door. Jesus is the door;He died on the cross for all. You have misunderstood. The kingdom of God will be on earth after the second coming. Christ will rule as king of kings and the saints as kings and Priests,for one thousand years. They will rule over the remnant of the chosen jews. The jews will be taught Christ. They also must go through Christ. I am glad to discus this,with you. jesse It is not me who is misunderstanding scripture. It is obvious that you have many errors in your understanding. Christ does reign for 1000 years, but with a rod of iron, not a place where the lamb will lay down with the lion, where everything will be all rosy. Those who are left to live in the 1000 years are not only Jews, but the whole world. Have you not read that after the 1000 years are up, Satan is loosed for a little while to gather another army from the four corners of the world? You should really return to scripture to see what it really says. May I ask under what church have you been taught this? My teacher is the Holy spirit,not any church. What church have taught you? Besides the Holy Spirit teaching me directly, I also have sat under the teaching of others who are His, learning a lot from the true body of Christ, being corrected and held accountable for my beliefs. I am not an island. You would do well, and find wisdom, in listening to those who are further down the road in their walk with Christ, more mature in Him. The major problem with someone who only accepts what they believe is being taught to them by the Holy Spirit is when they are wrong, they refuse correction. This site has many who truly understand scripture. I would advise, advice I also had to accept, that you listen to what others say and search scripture to see if it is true or not, questioning when not fully understood (not assuming you fully understand) and seek clarity from others in what they present. Do not place yourself in a position where you are continually defending your belief. Instead, try to gain more understanding and knowledge. The scriptures can not be broken. No man can come to the father but by Me. Jesus is the new covenant. Jews before Christ have not the the new covenant. There are jews reserved for paradise,which is the saint's kingdom. All in Christ only will be the saints. Some christian jews will also be the saints. All chosed jews will also be the saints, but after they have gone through Christ during the thousand years. God will provoke them to jealousy by choosing the gentiles first. The first shall be last, and the last shall be first. jesse. The above is exactly what I was speaking to in the first part of my reply. I was not replying to who is saved, how they are save, or if the Jewish people will come to a complete understanding of Christ, but to those who will reign with Christ during the millennium and what it will be like during that time. Instead of addressing what I was speaking to, you go off into an argument that is not even part of this conversation. Slow down and read what is written to you. One light. I tought I made ot clear. The resurrected saints will rule over the jews brought back in the flesh. Not all jews;but the remnant chosen by God. jesse. Both Jew and Gentile Revelation 2:26-27King James Version (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. The question is? All jews in christ also will be saints. there is no jew nor gentile amongst saints. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted August 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2014 One light. I tought I made ot clear. The resurrected saints will rule over the jews brought back in the flesh.Not all jews;but the remnant chosen by God. jesse.No, it is not clear. Otherwise, why would I be correcting your posts?You have not supported anything you say with scripture. To me, what you present is just an opinion with not substance.By the way, please cut the quotes to only what you are referring to, as I did with this post. There is no need to quote a whole conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted August 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2014 Both Jew and Gentile Revelation 2:26-27King James Version (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.I am not sure what you are answering or referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 OneLight. Isreal will be brought back in the flesh. Jeremiah 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;Jeremiah 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land. btw: Can you also provide scriptures regarding the diffferent seals? jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfaith Posted August 22, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 309 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 22, 2014 Both Jew and Gentile Revelation 2:26-27King James Version (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. I am not sure what you are answering or referring to? One person said the kingdom of saints the gentile but the bible say whosoever overcome referring to both jew and greek to rule nations not the saints ruling the jews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Both Jew and Gentile Revelation 2:26-27King James Version (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. I am not sure what you are answering or referring to? One person said the kingdom of saints the gentile but the bible say whosoever overcome referring to both jew and greek to rule nations not the saints ruling the jews One light. The coming kingdom will be: 1. A kingdom for the **resurrected** saints to rule over jews and gentiles. Saints consists of all people in christ,jews or gentiles. The saints are the resurrected in spirit form.At the coming. 2. At the same time; the chosen jews will be brought back to life. Jews only: of all generations.Job,Daniel,and friends will be there also. They will be put in a place called paradise. They will be at rest.(living in peace). They will be in the flesh. They will multiply,they will be taught Christ, by the saints. 3.Paradise is the kingdom of Christ and his saints ,cause they will rule as kings and priests, over the jews. 4.Outside the square(paradise) will be living; all the left over gentiles,the survivors of armageddon. They also will multiply and also will be taught by the jews. So jews taught by the saints;and gentiles taught by the jews. What will happen at the second resurection? After the 1000yrs. 1.All the taught jews will be changed into a spirit body.Like the saints. 2.All the taught gentiles that have accepted Christ,will also be changed into a spirit body.Like the saints. Next, all people that ever lived on earth,of all believe systems,dead or alive at that time, will be brought back to life, in the flesh. The sheep put on the right (the good hearted ones). The goats put on the left(the mean and wicked).Judged according to the book of life. All the goats;cast into the fire,all the sheep also changed into spirit.(no more wicked left). Next; God will work on planet earth itself; it will be melted,and made new. Then God will come down and dwell with all his saints.(children). jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted August 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 22, 2014 Jesse Your are not accurate . Read Zech 8:23 - In those days,, ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you. There are both Jews and non Jews living on earth during the Mill. 14:16 - Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. Isa 19:23 - In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt, and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. In that day Israel will be a third, along with Assyria and Egypt, a blessing on the earth. So you can see there are others alive on earth during the 1000 years. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfaith Posted August 22, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 309 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 22, 2014 Both Jew and Gentile Revelation 2:26-27King James Version (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. I am not sure what you are answering or referring to? One person said the kingdom of saints the gentile but the bible say whosoever overcome referring to both jew and greek to rule nations not the saints ruling the jews One light. The coming kingdom will be: 1. A kingdom for the **resurrected** saints to rule over jews and gentiles. Saints consists of all people in christ,jews or gentiles. The saints are the resurrected in spirit form.At the coming. 2. At the same time; the chosen jews will be brought back to life. Jews only: of all generations.Job,Daniel,and friends will be there also. They will be put in a place called paradise. They will be at rest.(living in peace). They will be in the flesh. They will multiply,they will be taught Christ, by the saints. 3.Paradise is the kingdom of Christ and his saints ,cause they will rule as kings and priests, over the jews. 4.Outside the square(paradise) will be living; all the left over gentiles,the survivors of armageddon. They also will multiply and also will be taught by the jews. So jews taught by the saints;and gentiles taught by the jews. What will happen at the second resurection? After the 1000yrs. 1.All the taught jews will be changed into a spirit body.Like the saints. 2.All the taught gentiles that have accepted Christ,will also be changed into a spirit body.Like the saints. Next, all people that ever lived on earth,of all believe systems,dead or alive at that time, will be brought back to life, in the flesh. The sheep put on the right (the good hearted ones). The goats put on the left(the mean and wicked).Judged according to the book of life. All the goats;cast into the fire,all the sheep also changed into spirit.(no more wicked left). Next; God will work on planet earth itself; it will be melted,and made new. Then God will come down and dwell with all his saints.(children). jesse. Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Looks like they have their seat book in the kingdom already also how about Ezekiel 14:14King James Version (KJV) 14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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