WorthyNewsBot Posted October 9, 2014 Group: Bots Followers: 3 Topic Count: 39,879 Topics Per Day: 6.46 Content Count: 44,385 Content Per Day: 7.18 Reputation: 986 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/06/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2014 By Joseph DeCaro, Worthy News Correspondent MOSUL (Worthy News)– Barnabas Aid has learned that women and girls being held captive by ISIS at Mosul's Badush Prison have been given the choice to either convert to Islam, or suffer rape on a daily basis until they change their minds. Badush holds hundreds of Christian, Yazidi and Turkmen women who are being gang-raped for refusing to convert to Sunni Islam. Some of them are being sold as sex slaves to recruit Muslim men into ISIS; the selling price for an ISIS slave ranges from $25 to $150(US). Sharia law permits Muslims to take people as war prizes during jihad. As a result, United Nations officials in Iraq estimate that 1,500 Yazidis and Christians – both women and children – may have been forced into Islam's sex slave trade. ISIS has proclaimed a caliphate, or Islamic state under the rule of a single ruler called a caliph. View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 9, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,188 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,910 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2014 IS is simply trying to undo what England and France did to the area after World War I. And doing it under the directions that Mohammad left them in the Koran and Hadiths... That's where Saddam, the Shaw and the other despotic dictators came from.... they had to be that way to control the radical Islam. Everywhere those dictators have been replaced, all but true Islamic believers have been persecuted and killed. We seem to be left with about three choices...... evacuate all but fundamental Islamics and just let them have the place, or let them have the place and let them kill non Islamics, kill the fundamental Islamics or put despotic dictators back in charge. And, if Israel is to be safe that would include a Shaw in Iran. I don't know that we could live with ourselves doing what needs to be done. If something doesn't change rather quickly, I don't see how we are going to survive the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted October 9, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted October 9, 2014 IS is simply trying to undo what England and France did to the area after World War I. And doing it under the directions that Mohammad left them in the Koran and Hadiths... That's where Saddam, the Shaw and the other despotic dictators came from.... they had to be that way to control the radical Islam. Everywhere those dictators have been replaced, all but true Islamic believers have been persecuted and killed. We seem to be left with about three choices...... evacuate all but fundamental Islamics and just let them have the place, or let them have the place and let them kill non Islamics, kill the fundamental Islamics or put despotic dictators back in charge. And, if Israel is to be safe that would include a Shaw in Iran. I don't know that we could live with ourselves doing what needs to be done. If something doesn't change rather quickly, I don't see how we are going to survive the mess. Bashir al-Assad is the last of these dictators keeping Muslims in their place. I notice that Obama is keen to get rid of him. No surprise there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arka Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is terrible! How can people who follow a religion that preaches abstinence from extramarital sex possibly justify this? The Qur'an even forbids forced conversions, but they do it anyway! I'm so saddened and appalled by all of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is terrible! How can people who follow a religion that preaches abstinence from extramarital sex possibly justify this? The Qur'an even forbids forced conversions, but they do it anyway! I'm so saddened and appalled by all of this! The Q'uran does not forbid forced conversions. You are reading from an abrogated verse. As for abstinence from extramarital sex - that's just a fallacy. Muslims are not allowed to commit adultery but they define adultery differently to the way that we do. Adultery can only occur between Muslim men and women. Muslim men are allowed to keep non-Muslims as sex slaves. This does not count as adultery to a Muslim. Muslim men are also allowed to secure temporary marriages to Muslim women by paying a sum of money either to the woman or to her father. The marriage can be as short as fifteen minutes. In our culture we would refer to this as prostitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arka Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is terrible! How can people who follow a religion that preaches abstinence from extramarital sex possibly justify this? The Qur'an even forbids forced conversions, but they do it anyway! I'm so saddened and appalled by all of this! The Q'uran does not forbid forced conversions. You are reading from an abrogated verse. As for abstinence from extramarital sex - that's just a fallacy. Muslims are not allowed to commit adultery but they define adultery differently to the way that we do. Adultery can only occur between Muslim men and women. Muslim men are allowed to keep non-Muslims as sex slaves. This does not count as adultery to a Muslim. Muslim men are also allowed to secure temporary marriages to Muslim women by paying a sum of money either to the woman or to her father. The marriage can be as short as fifteen minutes. In our culture we would refer to this as prostitution. What legalizes forced conversions, then? Where are you getting your definition of adultery in Islam from? Why are Muslim men allowed to have temporary marriages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,188 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,910 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 https://archive.org/stream/RelianceOfTheTraveller-TheClassicManualOfIslamicSacredLawumdat/RelianceOfTheTraveller-TheClassicManualOfIslamicSacredLawumdatAl-salikByAhmadIbnNaqibAl-misri#page/n23/mode/2up http://www.shafiifiqh.com/maktabah/relianceoftraveller.pdf These two sites are of the same book, the second one is easier reading and searching. I post them both for the first one has the certified documents showing that this is the certified Engish translation of Sharia Law. The English are the same for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is terrible! How can people who follow a religion that preaches abstinence from extramarital sex possibly justify this? The Qur'an even forbids forced conversions, but they do it anyway! I'm so saddened and appalled by all of this! The Q'uran does not forbid forced conversions. You are reading from an abrogated verse. As for abstinence from extramarital sex - that's just a fallacy. Muslims are not allowed to commit adultery but they define adultery differently to the way that we do. Adultery can only occur between Muslim men and women. Muslim men are allowed to keep non-Muslims as sex slaves. This does not count as adultery to a Muslim. Muslim men are also allowed to secure temporary marriages to Muslim women by paying a sum of money either to the woman or to her father. The marriage can be as short as fifteen minutes. In our culture we would refer to this as prostitution. What legalizes forced conversions, then? Where are you getting your definition of adultery in Islam from? Why are Muslim men allowed to have temporary marriages? I don't know why. It's in their scriptures. The Prophet Mohammed permitted it. It's been part of Muslim jurispudence (both Shia and Sunni) for fourteen-hundred years. You'll find that there is hardly a Muslim sect that doesn't understand these rules, whether they be Salafi, Twelver, Alawite or Wahabbi. As for forced conversions they are mentioned in the Q'uran and commanded by the Q'uran. What they are effectively saying is that non-believers must be killed or enslaved unless they convert to Islam. Sura 8:39-42 Sura 9:5 Sura 8:12 Sura 47:4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,188 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,910 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 Another way of looking at this would be that all infidels except those of the book must die...... those of the book may pay an anual tax and live as second class citizens submitting to Allah and his law..... However it is permissiable for people to become a muslim and be part of the uma as full islamic citizens..... It's not really looked at as a forced conversion as it is an opertunity to accept Islam... sort of depends on one's outlook as to what is good and not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arka Posted October 13, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is terrible! How can people who follow a religion that preaches abstinence from extramarital sex possibly justify this? The Qur'an even forbids forced conversions, but they do it anyway! I'm so saddened and appalled by all of this! The Q'uran does not forbid forced conversions. You are reading from an abrogated verse. As for abstinence from extramarital sex - that's just a fallacy. Muslims are not allowed to commit adultery but they define adultery differently to the way that we do. Adultery can only occur between Muslim men and women. Muslim men are allowed to keep non-Muslims as sex slaves. This does not count as adultery to a Muslim. Muslim men are also allowed to secure temporary marriages to Muslim women by paying a sum of money either to the woman or to her father. The marriage can be as short as fifteen minutes. In our culture we would refer to this as prostitution. What legalizes forced conversions, then? Where are you getting your definition of adultery in Islam from? Why are Muslim men allowed to have temporary marriages? I don't know why. It's in their scriptures. The Prophet Mohammed permitted it. It's been part of Muslim jurispudence (both Shia and Sunni) for fourteen-hundred years. You'll find that there is hardly a Muslim sect that doesn't understand these rules, whether they be Salafi, Twelver, Alawite or Wahabbi. As for forced conversions they are mentioned in the Q'uran and commanded by the Q'uran. What they are effectively saying is that non-believers must be killed or enslaved unless they convert to Islam. Sura 8:39-42 Sura 9:5 Sura 8:12 Sura 47:4 All of Sura 8 is specific for the time period, which was just after a major battle. Sura 47 is also from around the same time as 8. Similarly, if you look at either the verse immediately before or after 9:5, the context becomes clear--they're dealing with specific groups of pagans in Mecca. There are only two surviving ink-and-paper documents that I know of that historians agree came from Muhammad: His Covenant with the Monks of Mount Sinai and the Constitution of Medina. Both of them establish religious freedom for Christians in areas under Muslim control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achtiname_of_Muhammad The Ashtiname of Muhammad, also known as the Covenant or (Holy) Testament (Testamentum) of the Prophet Muhammad, is a document or ahdname which is a charter or writ allegedly ratified by the Islamic Prophet Muhammad granting protection and other privileges to the Christian monks of Saint Catherine's Monastery. According to the monks' tradition, Muhammad frequented the monastery and had great relationships and discussions with the Sinai fathers.[3] The document claims that the Prophet (570–632) had personally granted by charter in the second year of the Hegira, corresponding to AD 626, the rights and privileges to all Christians "far and near". It consists of several clauses on such topics as the protection of Christians living under Islamic rule as well as pilgrims on their way to monasteries, freedom of worship and movement, freedom to appoint their own judges and to own and maintain their property, exemption from military service and taxes, and the right to protection in war. Two translations of the full text of the Covenant can be found at that link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina The non-Muslims included in the ummah had the following rights:[33] The security of God is equal for all groups,[34] Non-Muslim members will have the same political and cultural rights as Muslims. They will have autonomy and freedom of religion.[35] Non-Muslims will take up arms against the enemy of the Ummah and share the cost of war. There is to be no treachery between the two.[36] Non-Muslims will not be obliged to take part in religious wars of the Muslims.[37] If "there is hardly a Muslim sect that doesn't understand these rules, whether they be Salafi, Twelver, Alawite or Wahabbi", then why did the founder of Islam grant the non-Muslims of his day such incredible rights? Christian clergy isn't given total exemption from taxation today in Western Christian-majority countries, and we surely aren't allowed to have our own governors and judges! And why is it that Syria, for example, isn't capturing, converting, and raping Christian women themselves, but ISIS is? Why was the Christian Gospel allowed to be preached in Iraq under Saddam Hussein? Why were Syrian Christians protected by the government of Bashar al-Assad? Why didn't we hear of the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt until after Hosni Mubarak was ousted? As for temporary marriages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%E2%80%98ah#Nikah_mut.27ah_in_Sunni_Islam In the sixteenth century, during the reign of Akbar, the third emperor of the Mughal Empire, who was believed to be a Hanafi Sunni, debates regarding religious matters were held weekly on Thursdays. When discussing nikah mut'ah, Shi'ite theologians argued that the historic Sunni scholar Malik ibn Anas supported the practice.[2][17] However, the evidence from Malik's Muwatta (manual of religious jurisprudence) was not forthcoming. The Shi'ite theologians persisted and nikah mut'ah was legalized for the twelve Shia during Akbar's reign.[2][17] While according to the actual book Muwatta by Malik ibn Anas, the oldest book on Islamic Jurisprudence, Mutah was banned because Ali ben Abu Taleb said that Mutah was banned by Muhammad him self on the day of Khaibar. For this reason the Zaidi Shia, the oldest branch of the Shia also do not practice Muatah marriage. According to Malik ibn Anas in Muwatta Volume I, Chapter 18, Hadith 1151 43 "Both Abdullah and Al-Hasan, the two sons of Muhammad ben Ali Abu Taleb, from their father Muhammad ben Ali ben Abu Taleb from Ali ben Abu Taleb, that the Messenger of Allah had forbidden temporary marriage, and the eating of the flesh of the domestic donkey on the day of Khaibar" [18] There is still disagreement over it today, just like there are disagreements over many other issues in Islam as well as Christianity. I don't think that mankind will ever stop squabbling over the various facets of religion. I believe that understanding other religions is important to living a good, positive life not dominated by anger and bitterness. The Bible preaches love, not hate and division. "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." --John 13:34 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law." --Romans 13:8 "Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour." --Ephesians 4:31-5:2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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