defending "till death do us part"

[A_Voice]

Trinitron,

Take 1 Cor 7:39 for example. Look what your perspective causes you to do to that verse. That verse is a lie as plainly written according to your perspective.

The same with Mark 10:2-12.

The explanation that allows what Jesus said to mean what it says is the correct explanation. Yours is wrong. 

[Sevenseas]

The Gospel carries offence. Jesus said he came to bring a sword. When people are offended at plain teachings Jesus gave, then that fulfils Jesus' words. The seed of the word was able to take root in the stony ground but when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word it withers. When people are offended at what Jesus taught, they are the hearts that are like stony ground.

Jesus doesn't want us lukewarm. Stand on his side against what he calls adultery. 

 

That's bogus

 

The offence is not in what Christ says, but in those who twist what He says for their own purposes

[A_Voice]

Seven seas, Jesus said there would be even believers who would become offended. People who are offended because of the hard things Jesus said are fulfilling what he said would happen. Nothing bogus about what Jesus said will happen.

Self denial and cross bearing are necessary for Jesus' way. If a person will not die to their self, then they cannot be his disciple.

He doesn't want lukewarmness.

[Trinitron]

Trinitron,

Take 1 Cor 7:39 for example. Look what your perspective causes you to do to that verse. That verse is a lie as plainly written according to your perspective.

The same with Mark 10:2-12.

The explanation that allows what Jesus said to mean what it says is the correct explanation. Yours is wrong. 

 

Well, the bible never contradicts itself.  So Matthew 19:19 means what it means, so no other verse can contradict it.

[enoob57]

Steve,

Jesus identified remarriage to be adultery 5 times and Paul did so twice. So you are saying remarriage is not adultery. So you are the one trying to assert justification by the law because it was Moses that allowed divorce and remarriage while the gospel of grace forbids both.

A question for you- How narrow is your view compared with The Lord's here

John 4:18

18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou

now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

KJV

Here The Lord broke cultural boundaries, the rules of rabbis! Most of all leads

an adulterous and fornicating woman to Himself and then through her the whole town...

I am saying

Rom 3:20

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh

be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin

KJV

Grace draws us out of the place of sin and in newness sets us in the, Col 3 ,

place that we are not deserved by the works of the law ... again where do you

sit in this room

Luke 7:38

38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to

wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her

head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

...

Luke 7:47-48

47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are

forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven,

the same loveth little.

48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

KJV

If The Lord was this way in His Own body how shall He be in ours?

Love, Steven

[A_Voice]

The NT does not throw out the truth. It upholds truth.

The forgiveness in a broken marriage must relate to the sins committed in the marriage or the wrongs the parties individually have done. Forgiveness with regard to a past marriage has NOTHING to do with the marriage itself. That is the crime committed by those trying to erase the marriage itself. Erase the marriage and then the person can get married again. Guess what? No one can erase that marriage. Not even God, unless he decides to let one of the parties die. He is true to his word.

The competing 'word', that tries to equate the marriage itself to sin, and thereby sweep it under the rug as if it does not exist, saying it is "passed away" is a message from that old serpent the devil.

Remarriage is adultery. Adulterers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. The adultery has to stop; therefore the second marriage must be abandoned in repentance. It was NOT that which he has joined together because it violates what he has said what marriage is.

[A_Voice]

Trinitron,

When you interpret fornication in Matt 19:9 to mean adultery, the verse then contradicts itself.

Answer me.

What woman does the last clause pertain to in Matt 19:9 under your assumption that fornication means adultery?

The wife who was divorced for adultery, the wife divorced for something else, or both?

Answer me.

[Trinitron]

Trinitron,

When you interpret fornication in Matt 19:9 to mean adultery, the verse then contradicts itself.

Answer me.

What woman does the last clause pertain to in Matt 19:9 under your assumption that fornication means adultery?

The wife who was divorced for adultery, the wife divorced for something else, or both?

Answer me.

 

If you search back on my post, I didn't use a version that says, fornication:

 

Matthew 19:9

Aramaic Bible in Plain English

But I say to you, “Whoever divorces his wife apart from adultery and will take another, commits adultery, and whoever will take her who is divorced commits adultery.”

 

Now that you brought this up, the only Bible in English that even comes close to mentioning that, it is if the wife commits prostitution, its Young's Literal Translation with the word whoredom.  As you can see from below, this is what I was drawing from.  You ask me what fornication means to me, just inappropriate sexual behavior.  Later in the verse, it mentions adultery, so as you can see, with some Bibles literally saying adultery, others saying sexual immorality and the like, the translations seem to be meant to confuse the readers.

 

Matthew 19:9 Parallel Verses

New International Version

I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

New Living Translation

And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful."

English Standard Version

And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

New American Standard Bible

"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

King James Bible

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Holman Christian Standard Bible

And I tell you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

International Standard Version

I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

NET Bible

Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English

But I say to you, “Whoever divorces his wife apart from adultery and will take another, commits adultery, and whoever will take her who is divorced commits adultery.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation

I can guarantee that whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than her unfaithfulness is committing adultery if he marries another woman."

Jubilee Bible 2000

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication and shall marry another, commits adultery, and whosoever marries her that is put away commits adultery.

King James 2000 Bible

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her who is put away does commit adultery.

American King James Version

And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her which is put away does commit adultery.

American Standard Version

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.

Douay-Rheims Bible

And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.

Darby Bible Translation

But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, not for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery; and he who marries one put away commits adultery.

English Revised Version

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.

Webster's Bible Translation

And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except for lewdness, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoever marrieth her who is put away, committeth adultery.

Weymouth New Testament

And I tell you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except her unfaithfulness, and marries another woman, commits adultery."

World English Bible

I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery."

Young's Literal Translation

'And I say to you, that, whoever may put away his wife, if not for whoredom, and may marry another, doth commit adultery; and he who did marry her that hath been put away, doth commit adultery.'

 

 

INTERLINEAR VIEW OF MATTHEW 19:9

 

I can see what you are saying with the presumed word though.  The word in question is PORNEIA, which literally means prostitution.  From this discovery, adultery IS NOT a reason for a divorce.  If your wife commits prostitution, then you can get a divorce and remarry.  The woman on the other hand cannot remarry as any man that takes her as a wife is committing adultery with her.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Trinitron

[A_Voice]

Trinitron, you did not answer my question:

What woman does the last clause pertain to in Matt 19:9?

[Trinitron]

Trinitron, you did not answer my question:

What woman does the last clause pertain to in Matt 19:9?

 

At this point, I'm not sure what you are posturing for.  My previous post is thorough, concise, and well laid out as to my point.  The burden of truth is no longer on me to have to prove what I have clearly already laid out.  The burden of proof is now on you to have to somehow manipulate the verse to not mean what it means.