Sevenseas Posted November 27, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2014 Seven seas, Jesus said there would be even believers who would become offended. People who are offended because of the hard things Jesus said are fulfilling what he said would happen. Nothing bogus about what Jesus said will happen. Self denial and cross bearing are necessary for Jesus' way. If a person will not die to their self, then they cannot be his disciple. He doesn't want lukewarmness. Listen, your views are not actually what the Bible states concerning divorce/adultery etc The offense is not happening because of scripture....it is happening because people like yourself and others refuse to move from your unbiblical postiion Please note, I won't be getting back to your posts on this. However, you really have no right to assume I or anyone else here is offended. Constantly saying people are offended at your words (not scriptures) does not make it so. What that is, is an attempt to create a defensive position on the part of someone who does not acknowledge you as an authority on what Jesus said. I'll leave you and Trinitron to duke it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 28, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,281 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,501 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) The S&P version no duking allowed Edited November 28, 2014 by enoob57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted November 28, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.78 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2014 There are two Biblical reasons for divorce. Adultery- Matthew 5:32 Abandonment- 1 Corinthians 7:15 But does God want a woman or a man to stay in a marriage if there is abuse?God wants us to live in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Voice Posted November 29, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 39 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/30/1956 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 bopeep, You are assuming that "fornication" in Matt 5 and 19 means adultery. There is another explanation that makes it mean literally "fornication" after that word's specific definition, meaning the premarital sexual sin. Fornication has more than one definition. It has a specific premarital definition besides its ability to pertain to sexual sin in general. When adultery is tried in the context of Matt 5:31,32 then the sentence becomes convoluted. When the premarital sexual sin definition is used then there is no more convolution. It makes more sense to choose the definition of fornication that makes that particular sentence function competently and sensibly. We are not aware of the premarital divorce they exercised in their culture, so we naturally close our minds to the possibility.. We see Joseph was about to do that kind of divorce to Mary because he thought she had fornicated. Concerning abandonment, you are assuming that Paul gave a reason to divorce and remarry. See 1 Cor 7:39. Only death can part what God has joined together. Jesus identified remarriage to be adultery 5 times and Paul did so twice. Paul absolutely did not defy Christ's words nor did he contradict his own. He absolutely did not give permission to commit adultery by allowing remarriage. Remarriage is adultery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mswright6488 Posted November 29, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 213 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 73 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/14/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/30/1975 Share Posted November 29, 2014 What? How is it that you just know so much yet so little about Gods word. You are trying to make something that is not even there to make yourself sound important. I think people are very tired of going back and forth with you on this. Because every one else seems to be wrong except you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Voice Posted November 29, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 39 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/30/1956 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Mswright, Please clarify, What exactly do you think I am claiming without substance? Answer my questions and lets see where this goes. I am asserting that the sentence in Matt 5:31,32 is a literal convolution when the exception of fornication is assumed to be an allowance to divorce for adultery. So answer my question. Under the divorce for adultery explanation, to what woman does the last clause in Matt 5:32 pertain? Let me clarify: When the exception of fornication is presumed to give allowance to divorce for adultery then a comparison between two women is created: the one divorced for adultery and the other NOT divorced for adultery. Yet the last clause makes a blanket statement that whoever marries her that is divorced commits adultery. Does that last clause pertain to the woman divorced for adultery, the woman divorced for something else, or does it pertain to both? Here is your opportunity to defend what you say the text is saying. Answer me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mswright6488 Posted November 29, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 213 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 73 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/14/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/30/1975 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I will not... you just want someone to argue with. Besides no matter what I say, I will be wrong and you will be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 30, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,281 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,501 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I will not... you just want someone to argue with. Besides no matter what I say, I will be wrong and you will be right.No dear one your Wright and he's a_voice ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mswright6488 Posted November 30, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 213 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 73 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/14/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/30/1975 Share Posted November 30, 2014 LOL! Thank you my dear brother... I needed that very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncn Posted November 30, 2014 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 6 Topic Count: 406 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5,248 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 1,337 Days Won: 67 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2014 I have removed some comments. Abuse of other posters is not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, name calling, insulting, harassing, and threatening or in any way invading the privacy of another poster. Debate the subject, not the person. As this discussion continues, please do not "read into" another person’s statements and criticize them for something they have not said. If you need clarification, ask, do not accuse. Also keep the Terms of Service in mind. Members that cannot follow the rules will be banned from the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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