The Great Flood and the Foundations of the Earth

[Kan]

I've heard about vegetarian lions but never how much was tried to make this one eat meat.

We can understand why the poor mother lioness killed the cubs, as in the wild they would have died of starvation.

 

A very touching story. Thanks.

[Kan]

How is the earth reserved for destruction by fire when vast amounts of water are trapped in the crust?

 

Firstly we accept that God is telling the truth in the Bible, we don't try to explain it away. After all did not God burn the stone and the water of Elijah's altar?

Peter said that men today are ignorant of the flood and ignorant of the coming destruction, not to mention how the same earth is kept in store for fire.

 

In many places in the Bible you will find that God is able to set the mountains on fire, to cause them to melt, to disappear and to slip into the sea, whole islands can disappear, as they will when He returns. He warned Israel about this, and interestingly, although apostate Jerusalem was burned by Rome, the mountains were not melted down as God had warned. So we know that He was talking about the final end of the world which is yet to come.

 

Hot lava in the earth, can remain so for thousands of years without erupting, it will just smolder away, cooling down in some places and moving along to heat other places up, but when it hits water, the heat process is suddenly accelerated due to the fact that steam multiplies the pressure which in turn causes it to heat up rapidly. That process is only as dangerous as the amount of water in the rocks. See Isaiah 64: 1-3.

So there are underground explosions which cause earthquakes, and if these explosions cannot equalize the pressure, it builds up and causes chemical reactions in the rocks which heat the lava up tenfold and cause such a great explosion that it erupts into a volcano. So earth quakes and volcanoes are caused by the same process and not by what science has proposed for many years.

 

In Australia we had tremendous monsoonal type rainfall a few years ago. A Bible student wrote to the media and predicted that earthquakes will occur in the middle of Australia, because the water would go deep into the dry desert and reach hot spots. Australia has never recorded earthquake activity in the middle of its desert, so the article was dismissed and deleted. It predicted that within two years there would be earthquakes in the middle of Australia and in places where there have been none before. I think it was within 18 months that Australia experienced its first earthquake, right in the middle as predicted.

 

The very elements which we think should prevent the earth from dissolving into a sea of fire are the same elements that do the job.

So the water in the earth, is what God has reserved in the earth for the day of judgement, when all the prophecies of the end will come true.

 

Deuteronomy 32:22 The very foundations of the mountains will be set on fire. The Bible goes into detail how this is all triggered in the first place, but that is another topic. In the mean time, areas along mountain chains and especially coasts, where water meets earth, are experiencing regular and increasing earthquakes, both in number and magnitude, and in "diverse places" or different locations as the Bible puts it. 

 

But people are not alarmed and believe the earth will carry on for a long time, and while they openly mock God, the ground beneath is prepared to respond with justice.

[La Paloma]

The Bible says that the waters prevailed over the earth and above the highest mountain.

 

Today we have the Himalayan mountains as the tallest in the world, did the waters cover these?

According to the Bible yes.

Were there higher mountains than Everest in the pre flood world? Apparently yes, according to some writings and traditions.

 

But that does not leave us with a greater challenge to find out how they were covered, because if it can be done with Everest, why not a higher one?

 

The concept of the water level rising uniformly world over, is not necessarily the case, but persisted on by so called science which subsequently denies the flood, and yet even today the oceans are not spread out uniformly in level, they differ by as much as 100 meters, which is about fifty times the depth of a tide.

 

Does anyone want to have a go at explaining that? because the answer will tell us something about the behavior of water on a large scale which occurred during the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I liked this article:

 

https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/fossil-record/high-dry-sea-creatures/

 

Snip:>>>

The catastrophic breakup of the earth’s crust, referred to in Genesis 7:11, would not only have released huge volumes of water from inside the earth, but much molten rock.5 The ocean floors would have been effectively replaced by hot lavas. Being less dense than the original ocean floors, these hot lavas would have had an expanded thickness, so the new ocean floors would have effectively risen, raising the sea level by more than 3,500 feet (1,067 m). Because today’s mountains had not yet formed, and it is likely the pre-Flood hills and mountains were nowhere near as high as today’s mountains, a sea level rise of over 3,500 feet would have been sufficient to inundate the pre-Flood continental land surfaces.

Toward the end of the Flood, when the molten rock cooled and the ocean floors sank, the sea level would have fallen and the waters would have drained off the continents into new, deeper ocean basins. As indicated earlier, Psalm 104:8 describes the mountains being raised at the end of the Flood and the Flood waters draining down valleys and off the emerging new land surfaces. This is consistent with much evidence that today’s mountains only very recently rose to their present incredible heights.<<<

 

Edited August 2, 2015 by La Paloma

[Kan]

I like what is proposed about the ocean floor expanding, that makes sense, but would it expand enough to displace such amounts of water, especially that water is already holding the floor down? It is possible of course.

 

I would not expect the entire basin to rise if this process took place, but that some places would remain low, and other places would rise and erupt underwater, producing very steep underwater volcanoes or spikes, which is what the ocean still has. 

 

I have never heard that theory before, thanks.

[archaeologist55]

I amsure you all are aware of the gigantic river flowing 4kms underneath the Amazon, right?

 

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/aug/26/underground-river-amazon

 

Covering more than 7 million square kilometres in South America, the Amazon basin is one of the biggest and most impressive river systems in the world. But it turns out we have only known half the story until now.

Brazilian scientists have found a new river in the Amazon basin – around 4km underneath the Amazon river. The Rio Hamza, named after the head of the team of researchers who found the groundwater flow, appears to be as long as the Amazon river but up to hundreds of times wider.

 

Most likely, Atlantis refers to the pre-flood world, not some mythical kingdom. Whomever told Plato the story most likely embellished the information but sadly too many modern people take the ancient's writings as gospel truth instead of placing them in the correct categories covering the literary world.

 

Scientists can explain many things but that doesn't mean they are correct

[Kan]

I amsure you all are aware of the gigantic river flowing 4kms underneath the Amazon, right?

 

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/aug/26/underground-river-amazon

Most likely, Atlantis refers to the pre-flood world, not some mythical kingdom. Whomever told Plato the story most likely embellished the information but sadly too many modern people take the ancient's writings as gospel truth instead of placing them in the correct categories covering the literary world.

 

Scientists can explain many things but that doesn't mean they are correct

 

I am not surprised to hear about the subterranean water system in the Amazon, but the first time I have, thanks for that.

 

The world has many cavities under the ground, sometimes filled with water, or just streams or empty. These discoveries certainly change the world view of its interior.

 

You are one of millions of Christians who recognize the Atlantis story as an embellished Greek version of the anti antediluvian world, glad to hear it again from you. We can learn and share exponentially with believers, because we don't have to spend years trying to convince someone of the very basics of geology.

[Kan]

Speaking of the foundations of the earth, they are rocking with earthquakes.

When we compare the waveform data of earthquakes with that of explosions, we find that they are practically identical. By the way thunder has the same patterns. But we are told that the earthquakes are caused by the tectonic plates of the earth coming against each other or creating friction.

Those plates are moving very slowly, and I guess we are supposed to believe that occasionally they suddenly slip, to cause a quake. It's all interesting, but if friction has anything to do with earthquakes, the data does not indicate a friction waveform, but a waveform of explosions. Shock waves are not very consistent with friction waves.

The information suggests explosions which are combustive in nature, they keep occurring until there is no more fuel.

This supports what the Bible says about the causes of such underground activity. Not crustal movements, but fiery explosions, underground volcanoes so to speak, muffled by the weight of the earth above and beside it, and limited by the effects of the explosion, the shift in pressures, and consumption of fuel. 

 

[Bonky]

I amsure you all are aware of the gigantic river flowing 4kms underneath the Amazon, right?

 

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/aug/26/underground-river-amazon

 

Covering more than 7 million square kilometres in South America, the Amazon basin is one of the biggest and most impressive river systems in the world. But it turns out we have only known half the story until now.

Brazilian scientists have found a new river in the Amazon basin – around 4km underneath the Amazon river. The Rio Hamza, named after the head of the team of researchers who found the groundwater flow, appears to be as long as the Amazon river but up to hundreds of times wider.

 

Most likely, Atlantis refers to the pre-flood world, not some mythical kingdom. Whomever told Plato the story most likely embellished the information but sadly too many modern people take the ancient's writings as gospel truth instead of placing them in the correct categories covering the literary world.

 

Scientists can explain many things but that doesn't mean they are correct

I assume you mean unless the ancient writing is in the Bible?  Many folks think the Genesis flood account is a variation of an earlier story the epic of gilgamesh.  

[Guest shiloh357]

The quest for Atlantis is a wild goose chase and it is interesting how many people will spend thousands of $$$   to search for something that has no historical witness.  Funny how Christians are maligned for believing historical accounts that are currently only found in the Bible, but people will fall all over themselves to search for Atlantis even though it is only found in the writings of Plato AND there is 1200 year gap between the earliest copy of Plato's writings and the time when Plato lives and only seven copies total, to boot. 

But that flimsy amount of manuscript evidence doesn't seem to be a problem for those who want to believe in something like Atlantis.   Either it is a totally fictional place, or it is a fictional tale based on/inspired by an actual place/event.

 

[Kan]

 

Most likely, Atlantis refers to the pre-flood world, not some mythical kingdom. Whomever told Plato the story most likely embellished the information but sadly too many modern people take the ancient's writings as gospel truth instead of placing them in the correct categories covering the literary world.

Scientists can explain many things but that doesn't mean they are correct

I assume you mean unless the ancient writing is in the Bible?  Many folks think the Genesis flood account is a variation of an earlier story the epic of gilgamesh.  

Yes, many have said that the Bible is largely based on much older writings than Moses, i,e. the legends and myths before Israel. 

What they don't know is that when a civilization began to use written languages and codes to record and transfer information, it was a sign that the memory and intellectual powers were weakening. This was one reason God inspired men like Moses to make a written record for future generations, because He knew that the information cannot be entrusted to memory alone. The human intellect would decline with future generations.

So if the Bible was written later than the earlier legends, it proves that the line of Israel was more intelligent than previous generations. This is an argument that we won't hear from the so called 'intelligent' today, because they believe that knowledge and intelligence has progressed and not declined. It is nigh impossible to convince such of the truth. Even Christians say that the ancient peoples like the Jews were primitive, while people today are much brighter, - because they have mobile phones? (To help them find their way and be on time, because they have no proper sense of time, space, events or geography, and their memories are so inadequate that everything has to be stored, in images, sound and text. Have you seen what happens when they lose their phone? They become helpless, lost and frantic.)

You may have heard of a secret book or diary that Noah's wife wrote and kept, which somehow was found by who knows? We know it's fake, because written material was not necessary for these people.