His Ambassador Posted April 26, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 295 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1932 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21 if you want to know where we will spend eternity. It's NOT in Heaven. Hello His Ambassador. Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. Could not the new heaven be a new sky, stars, galaxies, and universe. And the new earth be a new place in a new realm. The first heaven and earth had passed away... Could this not mean our old realm no longer exists but replaced by another realm suited for our finer, softer, delicate (eternal) spiritual selves. The reference to 'eternity', as far as I understand the word, means everlasting. The Alpha and the Omega, both start and end of time, refers to timelessness. Could there not be a realm (mansion) that does not include the dimension of time. Our current realm is trapped and perishable due to time, for all things will pass. The realm of everlasting life is not set be time, it is the Alpha and Omega (God). The new realm, the New Jerusalem, cannot be described by language because linguistics is defined by time. The biblical description of the New Jerusalem is our way of transferring the knowing from our spirit-mind to the knowledge/logic of the body-mind. The New Jerusalem description contains all the good and valued concepts, from this realm, to symbolize value of what cannot be described; for the spiritual realm it is not of this world. The New Earth means a new ball in the new heavens (space) with no seas for us to live on eternally. Yes "new heavens" mean space as we know it. I do not believe there will be any time in eternity. The New Jerusalem is Jesus' headquarters which comes down out of Heaven but the Bible does not say anything about it landing on the New Earth. A new Earth would point to a new planet of sorts. But a new earth points to a new ground. Maybe your reference to a New Jerusalem not landing on the New Earth, is that of another post. A New Earth is indeed a new planet. My New Jerusalem reference is to remind people that Scripture does not say that is will land in Israel as many Christians think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted April 26, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 395 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 319 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 26, 2015 Read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21 if you want to know where we will spend eternity. It's NOT in Heaven. Hello His Ambassador. Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. Could not the new heaven be a new sky, stars, galaxies, and universe. And the new earth be a new place in a new realm. The first heaven and earth had passed away... Could this not mean our old realm no longer exists but replaced by another realm suited for our finer, softer, delicate (eternal) spiritual selves. The reference to 'eternity', as far as I understand the word, means everlasting. The Alpha and the Omega, both start and end of time, refers to timelessness. Could there not be a realm (mansion) that does not include the dimension of time. Our current realm is trapped and perishable due to time, for all things will pass. The realm of everlasting life is not set be time, it is the Alpha and Omega (God). The new realm, the New Jerusalem, cannot be described by language because linguistics is defined by time. The biblical description of the New Jerusalem is our way of transferring the knowing from our spirit-mind to the knowledge/logic of the body-mind. The New Jerusalem description contains all the good and valued concepts, from this realm, to symbolize value of what cannot be described; for the spiritual realm it is not of this world. The New Earth means a new ball in the new heavens (space) with no seas for us to live on eternally. Yes "new heavens" mean space as we know it. I do not believe there will be any time in eternity. The New Jerusalem is Jesus' headquarters which comes down out of Heaven but the Bible does not say anything about it landing on the New Earth. A new Earth would point to a new planet of sorts. But a new earth points to a new ground. Maybe your reference to a New Jerusalem not landing on the New Earth, is that of another post. A New Earth is indeed a new planet. My New Jerusalem reference is to remind people that Scripture does not say that is will land in Israel as many Christians think. Hello His Ambassador. Sorry, I did not know that the bible referred to a New Earth, only to a new earth. Could you please reference the scripture for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted April 26, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted April 26, 2015 There are no saints in heaven. The saints will live on the New Earth. All saints, including OT saints, are now with Jesus Christ in heaven. Yes, we will end up in the New Earth, and we will also reign with Christ on this old earth during the Millennium, before God renews the Earth. Scripture teaches this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Ambassador Posted April 26, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 295 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1932 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21 if you want to know where we will spend eternity. It's NOT in Heaven. Hello His Ambassador. Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. Could not the new heaven be a new sky, stars, galaxies, and universe. And the new earth be a new place in a new realm. The first heaven and earth had passed away... Could this not mean our old realm no longer exists but replaced by another realm suited for our finer, softer, delicate (eternal) spiritual selves. The reference to 'eternity', as far as I understand the word, means everlasting. The Alpha and the Omega, both start and end of time, refers to timelessness. Could there not be a realm (mansion) that does not include the dimension of time. Our current realm is trapped and perishable due to time, for all things will pass. The realm of everlasting life is not set be time, it is the Alpha and Omega (God). The new realm, the New Jerusalem, cannot be described by language because linguistics is defined by time. The biblical description of the New Jerusalem is our way of transferring the knowing from our spirit-mind to the knowledge/logic of the body-mind. The New Jerusalem description contains all the good and valued concepts, from this realm, to symbolize value of what cannot be described; for the spiritual realm it is not of this world. The New Earth means a new ball in the new heavens (space) with no seas for us to live on eternally. Yes "new heavens" mean space as we know it. I do not believe there will be any time in eternity. The New Jerusalem is Jesus' headquarters which comes down out of Heaven but the Bible does not say anything about it landing on the New Earth. A new Earth would point to a new planet of sorts. But a new earth points to a new ground. Maybe your reference to a New Jerusalem not landing on the New Earth, is that of another post. A New Earth is indeed a new planet. My New Jerusalem reference is to remind people that Scripture does not say that is will land in Israel as many Christians think. Hello His Ambassador. Sorry, I did not know that the bible referred to a New Earth, only to a new earth. Could you please reference the scripture for me? The last part of Rev. 20 and also read the first part of 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Ambassador Posted April 26, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 295 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1932 Share Posted April 26, 2015 There are no saints in heaven. The saints will live on the New Earth. All saints, including OT saints, are now with Jesus Christ in heaven. Yes, we will end up in the New Earth, and we will also reign with Christ on this old earth during the Millennium, before God renews the Earth. Scripture teaches this. The saints are in Paradise (which is not the same place a Heaven) awaiting the judgement day. It's the same place the thief on the cross went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted April 26, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 395 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 319 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 26, 2015 Thank you His Ambassador. We are on different ground, but ground it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 26, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.78 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 There are no saints in heaven. The saints will live on the New Earth. All saints, including OT saints, are now with Jesus Christ in heaven. Yes, we will end up in the New Earth, and we will also reign with Christ on this old earth during the Millennium, before God renews the Earth. Scripture teaches this. The saints are in Paradise (which is not the same place a Heaven) awaiting the judgement day. It's the same place the thief on the cross went. All people who are believers who have died are in heaven.After Jesus's resurrection he went down to Sheol (which is a different place than hell) and Paradise and He took those in Paradise with Him to heaven Ephesians 4:8-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted April 26, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted April 26, 2015 There are no saints in heaven. The saints will live on the New Earth. All saints, including OT saints, are now with Jesus Christ in heaven. Yes, we will end up in the New Earth, and we will also reign with Christ on this old earth during the Millennium, before God renews the Earth. Scripture teaches this. The saints are in Paradise (which is not the same place a Heaven) awaiting the judgement day. It's the same place the thief on the cross went. Not so, Ambassador. You are not understanding. Paradise is in Hades---and it is now empty, since all saints have been led out. No believer, including the thief on the cross, is there since Jesus went there and set them free to go to heaven. The only people in Hades now---in the compartment of Hades that is occupied by the wicked---are unbelievers, awaiting Judgment. Christians do not experience the Judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Ambassador Posted April 27, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 295 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1932 Share Posted April 27, 2015 There are no saints in heaven. The saints will live on the New Earth. All saints, including OT saints, are now with Jesus Christ in heaven. Yes, we will end up in the New Earth, and we will also reign with Christ on this old earth during the Millennium, before God renews the Earth. Scripture teaches this. The saints are in Paradise (which is not the same place a Heaven) awaiting the judgement day. It's the same place the thief on the cross went. Not so, Ambassador. You are not understanding. Paradise is in Hades---and it is now empty, since all saints have been led out. No believer, including the thief on the cross, is there since Jesus went there and set them free to go to heaven. The only people in Hades now---in the compartment of Hades that is occupied by the wicked---are unbelievers, awaiting Judgment. Christians do not experience the Judgment. Hades is the holding place of the lost awaiting the judgements. You have been the victim of wrong teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.78 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 There are no saints in heaven. The saints will live on the New Earth. All saints, including OT saints, are now with Jesus Christ in heaven. Yes, we will end up in the New Earth, and we will also reign with Christ on this old earth during the Millennium, before God renews the Earth. Scripture teaches this. The saints are in Paradise (which is not the same place a Heaven) awaiting the judgement day. It's the same place the thief on the cross went. Not so, Ambassador. You are not understanding. Paradise is in Hades---and it is now empty, since all saints have been led out. No believer, including the thief on the cross, is there since Jesus went there and set them free to go to heaven. The only people in Hades now---in the compartment of Hades that is occupied by the wicked---are unbelievers, awaiting Judgment. Christians do not experience the Judgment. That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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