Why I am a Christian Zionist

[Qnts2]

Tanusha,

 

This is about anti-Zionism which is really nothing more that politically correct racism.   Zionism is to the Jewish people what the Civil Rights movement is to black people in the US.  If I were to attack and vilify the Civil Rights movement with same hatred that litteflower has expressed for Zionism, I would be called a racist.  If I were "anti-Civil Rights"   I would be seen as vilifying black people in the United States.  Littleflower,  like so many anti-Zionists, try to white wash their racism  by trying detatch Zionism from the Jewish people, but that is impossible.  She tries to pretend that anti-Zionism isn't anti-Israel, but that is a lie.   Zionism is all about the freedom and right of the Jewish people to live in their biblical homeland in peace.   Anti-Zionism is the antithesis of that doctrine.  Anti-Zionism is the rejection of the legitimacy of the Jewish nation.  

 

So littleflower is trying to argue this issue on her terms, and wants to redefine what words mean which is a rather dishonest approach to a debate. 

 

Zionism is predicated on the faithfulness of God to keep his promises to His people.  Thus Zionism is actually based on the Bible.  Secularist Jews have approached Zionism from a secular/political view but its origins are in the Bible.   Modern Israel is a showcase of God's faithfulness.   It is proof that God's word is true and that we can depend on him. 

 

I agree. While many of the Jewish people are more secular, by Jewish standards, the return to Israel is a return to the land promised by God. When the land was being given, some suggested that the Jewish people could take land on another continent, but the Jewish people said they wanted to return to Israel, the land promised to them by God. So, secular does not mean the Jewish people deny scripture.  Only God could have given the very land He promised, back to the people He promised it to, in the fast and miraculous way it was given. 

[thereselittleflower]

and seriously, I have no hatred for jews or Israel, palestinians or Arabs... in  humanity sense...and again, I wouldn't know the impact of doing so... 

 

Tanusha, you might be interested in the perspective of our Palestinian Christian brothers and sisters:

 

 

Empowering the Palestinian church

 

According to the Christ at the Checkpoint website, its main aims were to empower the Palestinian church, expose injustice in Palestine and to motivate participants to engage in reconciliation.

Topics ranged from the role of Palestinian women in ministry, to the theology of the land and biblical principles of justice and nonviolence. One of the most prominent themes, however, was using the Bible to challenge the theology of Christian Zionism, a theme which proved unpopular in Christian Zionist circles.

The aim that proved most controversial, however, was the conference’s desire to “create a platform for serious engagement with Christian Zionism.” A series of attacks ensued from the Christian Zionist community, including campaigns to intimidate speakers into withdrawing from the conference.

 

Challenging Christian Zionism

 

The conference included seminars and talks which outlined why, from an evangelical Christian perspective, Christian Zionism has dangerously misinterpreted the Bible. An entire day of the conference was devoted to engaging with Christian Zionism, including a seminar by Rev. Stephen Sizer, author of Zion’s Christian Soldiers, entitled “Seven Biblical Answers to Popular Zionist Assumptions.”

“Christian Zionism can be defined as Christian support for Zionism,” said Sizer in an interview with The Electronic Intifada. “They simply believe that promises God made to Abraham and the Jewish people in Hebrew Bible are in some sense being fulfilled today, or are about to be fulfilled.”

“Therefore as Christians our responsibility is to support what God is doing among the Jewish people today and so taints our political agenda,” Sizer continued. “But there really is no place for the Palestinians within a Christian Zionist theology, other than as the servants, or the hewers of wood and the carriers of water.”

“The particularism and the exclusivism of Christian Zionism is actually a misreading of the Bible,” he added. “When you turn your theology into a political agenda which denies the human rights of other people because they’re not Jews, for me that’s where it crosses a line.”

For many Palestinian Christians, the Christian Zionist theology leaves no room for the presence of an indigenous church in the Holy Land, and fails to address the suffering of the Palestinian people as a whole.

“Christian Zionism, in my opinion, has ignored us Palestinian Christians at best, [and] demonized us at worst,” said Munther Isaac, conference director, in his talk at the conference entitled “A Palestinian Christian Perspective.”

 

Conference attacked

 

The aims of the Christ at the Checkpoint conference did not go unnoticed. For months before the conference, Christian Zionists and Israeli Messianic Jews waged a campaign against the conference and its organizers, labeling them “anti-Semitic” in an attempt to have the conference canceled.

“You wouldn’t believe the negative stuff that was written about us — sometimes [it] was nasty, some was personal,” said Isaac. “Major Christian media stations have spread lies about Bethlehem Bible College, just because of this conference. I never expected it to get this nasty and this personal.”

 

 

more at 

https://electronicintifada.net/content/palestinian-christians-attacked-challenging-christian-zionism/11049

Edited July 10, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Estrella]

Thanks Shiloh , flower and the rest for your explanation.

[Estrella]

Oh yeah, what about Palestinian Christians

.. Where do they stand? Most of the time, even from where I come from, Palestinians are often referred to as Muslims. Not much attention given to Palestinian Christians. In fact, they are forgotten. If i have never read about Palestinian christians, I wouldn't know at all that they exist.

[George]

As someone that lives in Israel, this "ministry" at the Checkpoint has speakers that are vehemently antisemitic.

 

You can look up some of it's keynote speakers in the past.  Steven Sizer, Naim Ateek, and it wouldn't take a lot of investigation to see how anti-semitic the speakers are. 

 

Just a quick quote to give you an understanding,

 

“In this season of Lent, it seems to many of us that Jesus is on the cross again with thousands of crucified Palestinians around him. It only takes people of insight to see the hundreds of thousands of crosses throughout the land, Palestinian men, women, and children being crucified. Palestine has become one huge golgotha. The Israeli government crucifixion system is operating daily. Palestine has become the place of the skull.” -- Naim Ateek

 

Church bans 9/11 Israel conspiracy priest from using social media

God bless,

 

George

[thereselittleflower]

It really saddens me to see christian brethren attacking palestinian christians who suffer under the actions of a political zionist government with the worn out, overused anti semitic accusation simply because they have a different pov from their own pesronal experience of what is happening politically and humanitarianly.

 

It grieves my heart.

 

I believe it grieves our Lord's heart as well.

 

Lord have mercy.

[thereselittleflower]

Palestinian Christians speak of the persecution they live with, not at the hands of muslims, but those of the state of Israel:

 

 

 

Based on our years as parish priests in Palestine, we were appalled by the false allegations regarding Palestinian Christians made in recent weeks by Israeli spokespeople, such as Ambassador Michael Oren..

We were perplexed not because of their position, which has been part of the official Israeli narrative for many years, but by how openly they have distorted facts and misconstrued the plight of Palestinian Christians pursuing justice and peace.

These spokespeople have wrongly propagated a cynical discourse misleadingly touting “Christian persecution by Muslims.” Every Friday, we celebrate the holy mass attended by hundreds of Palestinian Christians from Bethlehem, Ramallah and Jerusalem in the Cremisan Area of Beit Jala. The holy service, celebrated among ancient olive trees, was not a prayer to end a “Muslim-led persecution” but to prevent Israel from confiscating this area of land that belongs to 58 Palestinian Christian families – Israel’s latest attempt to consolidate its ring of settlements that aim to sever Bethlehem from Jerusalem. This is one last attempt to prevent a land confiscation that would have catastrophic consequences for the local Christian population.

Since the Israeli occupation began in 1967, Israel has confiscated thousands of acres belonging to Palestinian Christians and Muslims. In the Jerusalem and Bethlehem areas, Christians have been severely affected by Israel’s colonization policies. As an example, approximately 5,436 acres of land from northern Bethlehem were unilaterally annexed by Israel to create the illegal settlements of Gilo and Har Homa – which Israel now cynically calls new Jerusalem “neighborhoods.”

These “neighborhoods,” aim to physically separate Jerusalem from Bethlehem and, for the first time in history, prohibit Palestinian Christians from worshipping in the holy city of Jerusalem.

It is also completely disingenuous for Israeli spokespeople to argue that the population of Christians in Israel has “tripled since 1948.” In fact, figures show that the percentage of Christians in the area began to decrease in 1948, when Israel was created.

Much of the so-called “growth” in Israel is due to the immigration of foreigners and while it is true that in numbers Christians have grown in both Israel and Palestine due to natural increase, the percentage would be much higher in absence of the ongoing Israeli displacement policies against the indigenous Palestinian population.

In fact, Israeli spokespeople “forget” to mention that in 1948, 75 percent of the Palestinian Arab population, including Christians, of what is now the State of Israel became refugees. Entire Christian villages were destroyed by Israel; and tens of thousands of Christians were expelled. Some areas of today’s west Jerusalem, such as Talbiya and Katamon, were home to thousands of Palestinian Christians whose homes were looted and private property confiscated.

Since the occupation of the West Bank in 1967, Israel has implemented a policy of taking as much as land as possible and as few Palestinians as possible. Palestinian Christians, particularly in Jerusalem, have suffered the consequences of this policy.

 

..

... During our years of priesthood, we have paid visits to many Palestinian Christian political prisoners jailed in Israeli prisons, participated in funerals of Christians who have lost their lives in this bloody conflict, assisted families divided by the Israeli policy of stripping Palestinian residency rights, and lobbied on behalf of our parishioners whose property was confiscated by Israel.

In the West Bank Israel does not differentiate between Palestinian Christians and Muslims in its policies. Several studies have shown that the Israeli occupation and settlement activities are the main reason for Christian emigration.

These claims are not Palestinian “propaganda” but have been largely researched by the US government, the European Union and the United Nations. In fact, all the recent International Religious Freedom Reports published by the US Department of State highlight this issue.

 

 

To conclude, Palestinian Christians are not persecuted by Palestinian Muslims. The end of the Israeli occupation would allow all our people, Christians and Muslims, to develop all our potential living side by side.

Fr. Faysal Hijazeen is the parish priest of the Ramallah’s Holy Family Church and head of Latin Patriarchate Schools in Palestine and Fr. Ibrahim Shomali is parish priest of the Annunciation Church in Beit Jala.

 

 

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/The-plight-of-Palestinian-Christians

 

 

 

 

Christian zionism supports political zionism in Israel, which, by the power of the State of Israel,  persecutes our christian Palestinian brothers and sisters , members with us of the Body of Christ.

 

 

Something is very, very wrong here.

 

 

Lord have mercy.

Edited July 10, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Estrella]

Palestinian Christians speak of the persecution they live with, not at the hands of muslims, but those of the state of Israel:

Based on our years as parish priests in Palestine, we were appalled by the false allegations regarding Palestinian Christians made in recent weeks by Israeli spokespeople, such as Ambassador Michael Oren..

We were perplexed not because of their position, which has been part of the official Israeli narrative for many years, but by how openly they have distorted facts and misconstrued the plight of Palestinian Christians pursuing justice and peace.

These spokespeople have wrongly propagated a cynical discourse misleadingly touting “Christian persecution by Muslims.” Every Friday, we celebrate the holy mass attended by hundreds of Palestinian Christians from Bethlehem, Ramallah and Jerusalem in the Cremisan Area of Beit Jala. The holy service, celebrated among ancient olive trees, was not a prayer to end a “Muslim-led persecution” but to prevent Israel from confiscating this area of land that belongs to 58 Palestinian Christian families – Israel’s latest attempt to consolidate its ring of settlements that aim to sever Bethlehem from Jerusalem. This is one last attempt to prevent a land confiscation that would have catastrophic consequences for the local Christian population.

Since the Israeli occupation began in 1967, Israel has confiscated thousands of acres belonging to Palestinian Christians and Muslims. In the Jerusalem and Bethlehem areas, Christians have been severely affected by Israel’s colonization policies. As an example, approximately 5,436 acres of land from northern Bethlehem were unilaterally annexed by Israel to create the illegal settlements of Gilo and Har Homa – which Israel now cynically calls new Jerusalem “neighborhoods.”

These “neighborhoods,” aim to physically separate Jerusalem from Bethlehem and, for the first time in history, prohibit Palestinian Christians from worshipping in the holy city of Jerusalem.

It is also completely disingenuous for Israeli spokespeople to argue that the population of Christians in Israel has “tripled since 1948.” In fact, figures show that the percentage of Christians in the area began to decrease in 1948, when Israel was created.

Much of the so-called “growth” in Israel is due to the immigration of foreigners and while it is true that in numbers Christians have grown in both Israel and Palestine due to natural increase, the percentage would be much higher in absence of the ongoing Israeli displacement policies against the indigenous Palestinian population.

In fact, Israeli spokespeople “forget” to mention that in 1948, 75 percent of the Palestinian Arab population, including Christians, of what is now the State of Israel became refugees. Entire Christian villages were destroyed by Israel; and tens of thousands of Christians were expelled. Some areas of today’s west Jerusalem, such as Talbiya and Katamon, were home to thousands of Palestinian Christians whose homes were looted and private property confiscated.

Since the occupation of the West Bank in 1967, Israel has implemented a policy of taking as much as land as possible and as few Palestinians as possible. Palestinian Christians, particularly in Jerusalem, have suffered the consequences of this policy.

..

... During our years of priesthood, we have paid visits to many Palestinian Christian political prisoners jailed in Israeli prisons, participated in funerals of Christians who have lost their lives in this bloody conflict, assisted families divided by the Israeli policy of stripping Palestinian residency rights, and lobbied on behalf of our parishioners whose property was confiscated by Israel.

In the West Bank Israel does not differentiate between Palestinian Christians and Muslims in its policies. Several studies have shown that the Israeli occupation and settlement activities are the main reason for Christian emigration.

These claims are not Palestinian “propaganda” but have been largely researched by the US government, the European Union and the United Nations. In fact, all the recent International Religious Freedom Reports published by the US Department of State highlight this issue.

To conclude, Palestinian Christians are not persecuted by Palestinian Muslims. The end of the Israeli occupation would allow all our people, Christians and Muslims, to develop all our potential living side by side.

Fr. Faysal Hijazeen is the parish priest of the Ramallah’s Holy Family Church and head of Latin Patriarchate Schools in Palestine and Fr. Ibrahim Shomali is parish priest of the Annunciation Church in Beit Jala.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/The-plight-of-Palestinian-Christians

Christian zionism supports political zionism in Israel, which, by the power of the State of Israel, persecutes our christian Palestinian brothers and sisters , members with us of the Body of Christ.

Something is very, very wrong here.

Lord have mercy.

Ohh.. Little flower, Palestinian Christians are indeed persecuted by some Muslims. No doubt about that. But, i was saying that, in malaysia, where it is against Israel and supports palestine, the image made over here is war between Jews and Muslims. Meaning, the Palestinian Christians are not mentioned or not included. So it is perceived that Jews are against Muslims but did not take the consideration that Palestinian Christians suffer the same with Palestinian Muslims.

[Estrella]

Palestinian Christians speak of the persecution they live with, not at the hands of muslims, but those of the state of Israel:

Based on our years as parish priests in Palestine, we were appalled by the false allegations regarding Palestinian Christians made in recent weeks by Israeli spokespeople, such as Ambassador Michael Oren..

We were perplexed not because of their position, which has been part of the official Israeli narrative for many years, but by how openly they have distorted facts and misconstrued the plight of Palestinian Christians pursuing justice and peace.

These spokespeople have wrongly propagated a cynical discourse misleadingly touting “Christian persecution by Muslims.” Every Friday, we celebrate the holy mass attended by hundreds of Palestinian Christians from Bethlehem, Ramallah and Jerusalem in the Cremisan Area of Beit Jala. The holy service, celebrated among ancient olive trees, was not a prayer to end a “Muslim-led persecution” but to prevent Israel from confiscating this area of land that belongs to 58 Palestinian Christian families – Israel’s latest attempt to consolidate its ring of settlements that aim to sever Bethlehem from Jerusalem. This is one last attempt to prevent a land confiscation that would have catastrophic consequences for the local Christian population.

Since the Israeli occupation began in 1967, Israel has confiscated thousands of acres belonging to Palestinian Christians and Muslims. In the Jerusalem and Bethlehem areas, Christians have been severely affected by Israel’s colonization policies. As an example, approximately 5,436 acres of land from northern Bethlehem were unilaterally annexed by Israel to create the illegal settlements of Gilo and Har Homa – which Israel now cynically calls new Jerusalem “neighborhoods.”

These “neighborhoods,” aim to physically separate Jerusalem from Bethlehem and, for the first time in history, prohibit Palestinian Christians from worshipping in the holy city of Jerusalem.

It is also completely disingenuous for Israeli spokespeople to argue that the population of Christians in Israel has “tripled since 1948.” In fact, figures show that the percentage of Christians in the area began to decrease in 1948, when Israel was created.

Much of the so-called “growth” in Israel is due to the immigration of foreigners and while it is true that in numbers Christians have grown in both Israel and Palestine due to natural increase, the percentage would be much higher in absence of the ongoing Israeli displacement policies against the indigenous Palestinian population.

In fact, Israeli spokespeople “forget” to mention that in 1948, 75 percent of the Palestinian Arab population, including Christians, of what is now the State of Israel became refugees. Entire Christian villages were destroyed by Israel; and tens of thousands of Christians were expelled. Some areas of today’s west Jerusalem, such as Talbiya and Katamon, were home to thousands of Palestinian Christians whose homes were looted and private property confiscated.

Since the occupation of the West Bank in 1967, Israel has implemented a policy of taking as much as land as possible and as few Palestinians as possible. Palestinian Christians, particularly in Jerusalem, have suffered the consequences of this policy.

..

... During our years of priesthood, we have paid visits to many Palestinian Christian political prisoners jailed in Israeli prisons, participated in funerals of Christians who have lost their lives in this bloody conflict, assisted families divided by the Israeli policy of stripping Palestinian residency rights, and lobbied on behalf of our parishioners whose property was confiscated by Israel.

In the West Bank Israel does not differentiate between Palestinian Christians and Muslims in its policies. Several studies have shown that the Israeli occupation and settlement activities are the main reason for Christian emigration.

These claims are not Palestinian “propaganda” but have been largely researched by the US government, the European Union and the United Nations. In fact, all the recent International Religious Freedom Reports published by the US Department of State highlight this issue.

To conclude, Palestinian Christians are not persecuted by Palestinian Muslims. The end of the Israeli occupation would allow all our people, Christians and Muslims, to develop all our potential living side by side.

Fr. Faysal Hijazeen is the parish priest of the Ramallah’s Holy Family Church and head of Latin Patriarchate Schools in Palestine and Fr. Ibrahim Shomali is parish priest of the Annunciation Church in Beit Jala.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/The-plight-of-Palestinian-Christians

Christian zionism supports political zionism in Israel, which, by the power of the State of Israel, persecutes our christian Palestinian brothers and sisters , members with us of the Body of Christ.

Something is very, very wrong here.

Lord have mercy.

Ohh.. Little flower, Palestinian Christians are indeed persecuted by some Muslims. No doubt about that. But, i was saying that, in malaysia, where it is against Israel and supports palestine, the image made over here is war between Jews and Muslims. Meaning, the Palestinian Christians are not mentioned or not included. So it is perceived that Jews are against Muslims but did not take the consideration that Palestinian Christians suffer the same with Palestinian Muslims.

Just read the statement from the parish. Hmm.. I am not sure coz I have read persecution of Palestinian Christians from Muslims and by Israel as well. So they are like the forgotten lot. They can't go anywhere.

[Guest shiloh357]

Littleflower is posting more misinformation. It's just one lie after another coming from her.    Here is the truth:

 

Palestinian Christians undergo intense persecution from the Muslims especially in Gaza where there is no Israeli presence to protect them.  It's even worse for Palestinians who left Islam and converted to Christianity. Israel has no policy of persecution of any Palestinians be they Christian or Muslim.    Littleflower's article is a patchwork of anti-Semitic lies.   It should be noted that the bishop of Jerusalem is a rabid anti-Semite.  I have read and posted and commented on his lies in the past.   He is NOT a true Christian.

 

For example look at how the Palestinian Christians were treated when Israel withdrew from Bethlehem following the Oslo Accord agreements.  Christianity Today did an article about Christian Palestinians and how they suffered at the hands of the Muslims.    http://www.christianitytoday.com/article/palestines.christians.continue.to.suffer.persecution/5106.htm

 

Littleflower's article claims that the Jewish settlements in Har Homa keep Palestinians from worshipping in Bethlehem and hat was false.   The Palestinian Christians had to flee Bethlehem because the PLO was confiscating their homes and running them out of the city.  The Palestinian Christians had to see help and protection from Israel because they were being killed and run out of town by the PLO.   The settlements are just people working farms and orchards.   There is no way that people growing tomatoes and oranges are keeping Palestinians from worshipping where they want.  It is the Muslims that now control Bethlehem and they persecute the small number of Christians who remain there.

 

You can Google "Palestinian Christians persecuted by Muslims in Palestinian territories and you will be inundated by articles and Youtube videos where Palestinian Christians testify of how they were persecuted by Muslims. On the obverse, you can also find article after article about how the Palestinian Christians flock to Israel to find protection from the Muslims. 

 

As a side note, it should be noted that when you tour Israel and go into the Arab quarter and you think you are buying olivewood crosses and nativity scenes from Palestinian Christians, tourists can inadvertently be supporting terrorism.   Arab vendors need tourism dollars and they are "Christians"  when they are selling things to tourists, but are devout Muslims in their homes.   They will falsely claim to be Christians.   Christians think they are supporting fellow Christians, but the money actually gets funneled to terrorist groups.   The same was and is true about Palestinian "charities"  that are actually just a means of getting funds for terror.  Christians in the past gave millions of dollars to Palestinian "Christian" charities completely unaware that Yasir Arafat controlled all of those charities and all of the money simply went into his coffers. Christians are, unfortunately, very naïve about what they give their money to.  

 

The article mentions the refugee status of the Palestinians since 1948 but fails to mention that it was the Arabs who made the Palestinians into refugees.  After the partition plan of 1947 passed in the UN, the surrounding Arab nations  promised to choke Israel out of existence on the very day she became a nation and declared nationhood.  The Arabs living in Israel were ordered to flee into Gaza and the West Bank and remain there until the invading Arab armies destroyed Israel and then they could return and take the property of the dead Jews.

 

The Arab's war of 1948 was Israel's war of independence, where Israel, though having asked for peace, was forced to fight a defensive war against six invading Arab armies.   Israel won that war despite being outnumbered 100 to 1 on the battlefield, having inferior weapons and no air cover/support.

 

Israel in advance of the arab invasion asked for the Arabs in their midst not to leave and promised citizenship to those who stayed.  But most fled to the West Bank and Gaza.  I have posted in the "Vatican" thread a huge list of quotes from Arab Newspapers as well as article from England and all of the quotes are from the 1940s -50s that blame the Arabs for the refugee crisis. 

 

Most of the claims the article makes about land confiscation is really not true.  Israel has never confiscated Palestinian land.   Claims are made like that and I guess people think if they say it long and loud enough every one will believe it.   Israel has never confiscated any land from anyone.   If anything, Israel has twice tried to repatriate Palestinians, only to be stopped by the UN and its calls for Israel stop repatriation.  The looting of Palestinian homes by Israel is also false. 

 

There is no occupation of Palestinian land.   Here is a lesson in international law:    "Occupation"  only occurs when you conquer a sovereign power and take over the country.    The Palestinians have never been a nation, thus never had sovereignty over any land.    The West Bank and Gaza were owned by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.   Israel was attacked by Jordan and Egypt in the Six Day War and they used The West Bank and Gaza as staging grounds from which to attack Israel.   Israel was forced into another defensive war and took the territories of the West Bank and Gaza from Jordan and Egypt.  Israel, according to interntional law was free to hold that land because they took it in a defensive war and were fighting for their survival.

 

Because Israel was not at war with the Palestinians, and because the Palestinians were not a nation and because Israel didn't overthrow any sovereign nation, there is no "occupation"  of Palestinian land.  The Palestinians are refugees and by that definition have no land and never had any land.   So the claims being made by the article are nothing more than history revisionism.

 

Christian Palestinian villages were not purposely destroyed if they were destroyed at all.  What the author fails to mention is that the Arabs purposely positioned themselves to attack Israel from villages.  It is still a tactic employed by terrorists today.   Find innocents and use them as human shields or draw the enemy's fire in order to inflict as much damage on the property of innocent people in order to ramp up the casualty rate and gain propaganda points.   Israel is not responsible for the deaths of those the Arabs use as human shields and it should be highlighted that Israel was fighting a DEFENSIVE war, and was not on a campaign to persecute Palestinian Christians.   Innocents suffer in war.   There is no way to fight a sanitary war.   Israel has never fought an offensive war.  Israel has only fought in defense of her people.   All of the wars Israel has fought were forced upon her by the maniacal enemies that surround her. 

 

So my history is far more reliable than the bogus, lying history that littleflower is trying to foist on the readers of this board.  She is still trying to rely on anti-Semites for her "research."    Frankly, what she posts is so racist that the English language fails for the words describe how disgusting and deplorable her posts really are.