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Well it's very simple.  Those verses in Genesis 10 are synopsis of history.  Genesis 10 tells us what eventually happened, the peoples were divided.  Genesis 11  and the tower of babel goes back before that list of divisions occurred.   Unbelievers tend to lack an understanding of how ancient near eastern writers thought.   Not everything historically chronological.  

I would agree that this is how Genesis 10 should be understood. It is an overview of the nations going past Babel and what happened there. You will notice that all the nations descended from the three sons of Noah after the flood. And that is what you read in Gen 10:32: These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

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The allegation of contradiction is anachronistic. Genesis 10 deals with the genealogies from Noah, through to their ultimate dispersion (i.e. after the Tower of Babel incident). Genesis 11 focuses the account back to the events closer to Noah (i.e. before the dispersion) – “as they journeyed east” from the Ararat Mountains to modern Iraq (“the land of Shina”).

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Any help with the verses about Jacob's burial ?

I am struggling with them .

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Any help with the verses about Jacob's burial ?

I am struggling with them .

It's really not a problem.   They simply moved the body to Shechem.  He was originally buried in the cave and later the body was moved so that Jacob and his sons would be buried in the same place.   Stephen was aware of that later fact even though it was not spelled out in the OT.  

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Atheists can't come up with REAL contradictions.   Atheists are intellectual lightweights when it comes to find actual, genuine contradictions, because there are none.

Bible is not a blow-by-blow, minute-by-minute account of history.   Much of it is telescoped and so a lot of details are left out, or as in the case of the four Gospels, details in one account are left out in another account of the same event.

None of the silly "contradictions"  that atheists try to drum up never occur in major passages.   They are always found in obscure historical accounts and most of the time, they  a revelation of the ignorance of atheists and their inability to study the Bible.   They demonstrate that atheists don't under the ancient near eastern mindset, and it also demonstrates their historical and biblical illiteracy.   Don't let atheists intimidate you with their ridiculous attempts at trying to pull up mythical contradictions.

What you will never find in the Bible is some on the level of one place saying that Judas committed suicide in one passage and another passage claiming that Judas was killed by a Roman soldier.   You will never find them bringing up a TRUE contradiction, because they simply don't exist.

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"Did Michal Have Children?
II Samuel 6:23: Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
sons = zero
II Samuel 21:8: The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
sons = five"

this search revealed several resources/answers in line with Scripture: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=did+michal+have+children%3F

Here's the shortest one, in agreement with Scripture: copied from a believers resource: Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

8. the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel—Merab, Michal's sister, was the wife of Adriel; but Michal adopted and brought up the boys under her care.

That's also true in cases where a man is raising the children of his deceased brother.   Sometimes, nephews are called sons in genealogies in the Bible.   Atheists have, in the past, tried to jump on this as a discrepancy, that a man's nephew is called his son and so the Bible can't be inerrant.   But in the ancient near east, that is not a problem because to have one's nephews considered as one's sons was a common concept, especially if one's brother died and you were obligated as his brother to raise his sons as your own.

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Any help with the verses about Jacob's burial ?

I am struggling with them .

It's really not a problem.   They simply moved the body to Shechem.  He was originally buried in the cave and later the body was moved so that Jacob and his sons would be buried in the same place.   Stephen was aware of that later fact even though it was not spelled out in the OT.  

Thanks . That's clear enough to me .

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"Did Michal Have Children?
II Samuel 6:23: Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
sons = zero
II Samuel 21:8: The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
sons = five"

this search revealed several resources/answers in line with Scripture: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=did+michal+have+children%3F

Here's the shortest one, in agreement with Scripture: copied from a believers resource: Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

8. the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel—Merab, Michal's sister, was the wife of Adriel; but Michal adopted and brought up the boys under her care.

That's also true in cases where a man is raising the children of his deceased brother.   Sometimes, nephews are called sons in genealogies in the Bible.   Atheists have, in the past, tried to jump on this as a discrepancy, that a man's nephew is called his son and so the Bible can't be inerrant.   But in the ancient near east, that is not a problem because to have one's nephews considered as one's sons was a common concept, especially if one's brother died and you were obligated as his brother to raise his sons as your own.

Thanks to you both . Another "problem" solved .

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Here is an example  that illustrates how two completely different accounts of the same event are not contradictory.    A man goes to a St. Louis Cardinals game up in Busch Stadium.   By chance, he runs into an old family friend and his family.  They talk for several minutes catching up on things before finally parting ways going to their seats to enjoy the game.

Later, he calls his mother to tell her about the friend he met at the game and what they discussed.    But at work, he tells his friends about going to the game and all of the best plays and other game highlights.   He completely omits any mention of seeing his friend.   He simply says he went to the stadium, got his tickets and a drink and went and sat down. 

His mom is not interested in sports and had no interest in hearing about the game.   His friends at work were interested in the game highlights.  So he changed his focus relevant to the audience and his purpose for telling the story.   Meeting his friend was not relevant to his purposes in talking about the game to his friends at work.

So, it is possible to have two completely different accounts of the same event and both accounts being perfectly true and perfectly harmonized.

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Genesis, like most other books of the Bible, is written as if it were spoken in person, because that is how people communicated, they would tell a story, then tell it again from another perspective or theme, as often as it took to get the whole picture with it's relevant details. Which applies to the things written about the time of Babel.

It is written in this way, because it invites the reader to engage with God by the Holy Spirit's presence. Have you felt the presence of God after He has talked to you from the Bible? That is called "hearing" the word.

The burial of the fathers, the whole family of bones would be moved according to the will of the original.

Michal's children? The verse before shows David talking to her about her maidens, by which Michel would end up having kids.

Skeptics rarely read the verses before and after. In fact, they rarely read any of the Bible for themselves, they prefer to lap up whatever falls in the street, and then criticize that. 

A skeptic was ranting about how stupid the Bible is, and was asked if he had actually read the Bible, to which he replied "As a matter of fact, I've read it seven times." Then someone asked him "what about the book of Hezekiah?"  "That too" he bellowed, "Well" said the bystander, "there is no such book in the Bible."

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