Bonky Posted February 8, 2016 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 738 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 346 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2016 21 minutes ago, enoob57 said: those reasons must be clearly defined in Scripture not outside of ... So when the Bible is describing the flood of Noah and it says the "windows of heaven opened", do you take this literally or do you take it figuratively? If you take it figuratively [which is my guess] did that come from outside of inside of the Bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel Posted February 8, 2016 Group: Seeker Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 315 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/25/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/31/1959 Share Posted February 8, 2016 ezekiel can not say that it was or was not a 24 hour day. Yet it could be like the moon and not have turned for sometime. Maybe it had a 1 second turn. Or it may be like what will be shortly become and that will be a 16 hour day and not a 24 hour day as stated below. Like Christ has said He will need to shorten the days. Revelation 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendtre Posted February 8, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 2 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,420 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 322 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, enoob57 said: Like I said to exit from the literal plain sense and the reiteration by comparative example is departure from the Biblical hermeneutic... there is no other consideration to be had! And the literal plain sense of Genesis 2 is that everything described as taking place does not happen in 24 hours. To try and squeeze it into 24 hours seems to be exiting from the plain sense reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 No.... that would be "poor reading comprehension". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendtre Posted February 8, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 2 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,420 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 322 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Teditis said: 5 minutes ago, Teditis said: No.... that would be "poor reading comprehension". Well not everyone is on the same level of comprehension, but with work you can improve your ability in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 8, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,390 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,566 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Bonky said: So when the Bible is describing the flood of Noah and it says the "windows of heaven opened", do you take this literally or do you take it figuratively? If you take it figuratively [which is my guess] did that come from outside of inside of the Bible? The event is defined in Scripture as the creative element water above and water below Genesis... thus the window descriptive is teaching us that which was holding the water above was not evident by sight but was an element which held back (His Word)... It is also taught about being the principle foundation for our faith - 'evidence of things not seen Heb 11:1'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 8, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,390 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,566 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 8, 2016 57 minutes ago, Vendtre said: And the literal plain sense of Genesis 2 is that everything described as taking place does not happen in 24 hours. To try and squeeze it into 24 hours seems to be exiting from the plain sense reading. The reiteration event of chapter 2 was due to the fact that sin had now become a reality in satan... Thus the knowledge of evil had began and allowance of such is seen in the tree in the midst of the garden 'the forbidden tree of such knowledge being good and evil'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 45 minutes ago, Vendtre said: Well not everyone is on the same level of comprehension, but with work you can improve your ability in that area. Touché. Still, to draw anything other than 7, 24-hour cycles, is either poor reading comprehension or simple stubbornness, imo. More likely stubbornness since it's been traditionally understood as 24-hour periods for a long, long time... understood by young and old. It's just people who take Star Trek and the like too seriously and want to look acceptable to main-stream science-types who try to stretch out the timeline to include such silly notions as the Gap Theory, evolution and ToE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 8, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,390 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,566 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Teditis said: Touché. Still, to draw anything other than 7, 24-hour cycles, is either poor reading comprehension or simple stubbornness, imo. More likely stubbornness since it's been traditionally understood as 24-hour periods for a long, long time... understood by young and old. It's just people who take Star Trek and the like too seriously and want to look acceptable to main-stream science-types who try to stretch out the timeline to include such silly notions as the Gap Theory, evolution and ToE. The science-in club diverging from science to fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendtre Posted February 8, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 2 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,420 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 322 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2016 23 minutes ago, enoob57 said: The reiteration event of chapter 2 was due to the fact that sin had now become a reality in satan... Thus the knowledge of evil had began and allowance of such is seen in the tree in the midst of the garden 'the forbidden tree of such knowledge being good and evil'... I think all that happens in Chapter 3,not 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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