Guest Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: Shar He is not going to enter the Holy of Holies a second time for the Nation of Israel. He entered the Holy of Holies ONCE AND FOR ALL, for the LAST time, FINALLY. Last means Last. Do they not believe his work was ETERNAL. It power spanned back to Noah. 1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted February 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.85 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2016 I found this one paragraph from a blog of Greg Mamula (Baptist) you "ladies" might enjoy reading and reflecting upon: Was Jesus a Pharisee? This argument has been made several times over. It is probably the group he had the most in common with. Since Judaism was a faith of the written word it is easy to see how Jesus would study the scriptures, see himself in it, and interpret those laws and narrative for himself and teach others to follow his ways. This is what each sect did. The Pharisees sought to apply law to everyday life for the common Jew. They rooted their interpretations to past Halakhah. Jesus, however, reinterpreted the law in light of himself alone as being the fulfillment, something the Pharisees would have taken offense at since they looked for a logical train of thought from any rabbi back to Moses. Jesus knew and understood the law, he studied it, and his first “profession” was likely carpentry. He summoned followers who were day laborers and taught them the law. In many respects this is the way of a Pharisee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, Shar said: Zec explains their sins and the impurities God will remove from them and their land.....ON THAT DAY Whatever you believe will happen, will be when Israel accepts his atonement. It is ever available... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar Posted February 9, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 327 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 232 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Joline said: Jesus was not a Pharisee? Whatever gave you that notion? John the Baptist prepared HIS WAY. John was no Pharisee. Christs disciples were from Johns baptism. They were distinct sect. The gospel was to be preached beginning with John's baptism. They continued to administer John's baptism as Christs disciples. They would neither be baptized of John, nor would they listen to him. I say the same to you as I just replied to LittleFlower, please read it. If I go to Mass and keep the Catholic feasts and holidays and I support the Catholic church, you would probably accurately conclude that I am Catholic. Well, Jesus practiced the Pharisee Sect of Judaism. Everything He practiced, believed and taught was from that sect of belief. He never preached against resurrection, Hell, angels, God as Father, as would a Sadducee. Besides, He stated for them to "learn the traditions of the Pharisees". He was raised a Jew, by Jewish parents, a Jewish father to teach Him the Torah, and to keep the Jewish faith. There wasn't anything Jesus did that was not fully Jewish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Shar said: Read what they believed. The other sects did not practice or believe as the Pharisees did. The Pharisees believed in Hell, angels, life after death, resurrection, grooming disciples, prayer before meals, etc. The other sects did not. Why would Jesus ever say "learn the traditions of the Pharisees, if he were of some other Sect? Remember, He was not born, raised, died or resurrected as a Gentile. He was a Jew and he learned Judaism and practiced it completely. I think these are very flimsy reasons for claiming Jesus is was a pharisee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Shar said: I say the same to you as I just replied to LittleFlower, please read it. If I go to Mass and keep the Catholic feasts and holidays and I support the Catholic church, you would probably accurately conclude that I am Catholic. Well, Jesus practiced the Pharisee Sect of Judaism. Everything He practiced, believed and taught was from that sect of belief. He never preached against resurrection, Hell, angels, God as Father, as would a Sadducee. Besides, He stated for them to "learn the traditions of the Pharisees". He was raised a Jew, by Jewish parents, a Jewish father to teach Him the Torah, and to keep the Jewish faith. There wasn't anything Jesus did that was not fully Jewish. Are you suggesting that these things he held in common with the Pharisees means the Pharisees taught him these things rather than that He is God and was affirming those things the pharisees got right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar Posted February 9, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 327 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 232 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Joline said: Do they not believe his work was ETERNAL. It power spanned back to Noah. 1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. Please Joline, get this. He does not have to enter the Holy of Holies again. He did not enter the Holy of Holies again for you when you believed on Him. When you made your personal decision for Christ, you did it in one day. You received the atoning sacrifice when you believed, even though He died over 2000 years ago. So it will be on the day Israel believes and the atoning sacrifice is pour on the nation. That can happen on Yom Kippur. This will be a significance God's appointed time for the Fall Feasts to have their significance to His second coming and to the nation of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 9, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Shar said: Please Joline, get this. He does not have to enter the Holy of Holies again. He did not enter the Holy of Holies again for you when you believed on Him. When you made your personal decision for Christ, you did it in one day. You received the atoning sacrifice when you believed, even though He died over 2000 years ago. So it will be on the day Israel believes and the atoning sacrifice is pour on the nation. That can happen on Yom Kippur. This will be a significance God's appointed time for the Fall Feasts to have their significance to His second coming and to the nation of Israel. That's why this can't be tied to Yom Kippur - Yom Kippur was fulfilled when Jesus entered the Holy of Holies as High Priest with His own blood. It could happen on Yom Kippur. It could happen on Jan 1. It could happen on ANY day. That's why tying it to Yom Kippur by claiming it will fulfill Yom Kippur makes no sense. Yom Kippur has already been fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar Posted February 9, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 327 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 232 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2016 14 minutes ago, Spock said: I found this one paragraph from a blog of Greg Mamula (Baptist) you "ladies" might enjoy reading and reflecting upon: Was Jesus a Pharisee? This argument has been made several times over. It is probably the group he had the most in common with. Since Judaism was a faith of the written word it is easy to see how Jesus would study the scriptures, see himself in it, and interpret those laws and narrative for himself and teach others to follow his ways. This is what each sect did. The Pharisees sought to apply law to everyday life for the common Jew. They rooted their interpretations to past Halakhah. Jesus, however, reinterpreted the law in light of himself alone as being the fulfillment, something the Pharisees would have taken offense at since they looked for a logical train of thought from any rabbi back to Moses. Jesus knew and understood the law, he studied it, and his first “profession” was likely carpentry. He summoned followers who were day laborers and taught them the law. In many respects this is the way of a Pharisee. I cannot go into the all the practices of the Pharisees that distinguished them from all the other sects. But one really interesting one that was distinctively their personal practice, at that time, was to give a blessing before the meal. Jesus definitely practiced that one, along with others. God specifically commanded for the blessing to be after the meal. They gave a blessing then, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, Spock said: I found this one paragraph from a blog of Greg Mamula (Baptist) you "ladies" might enjoy reading and reflecting upon: Was Jesus a Pharisee? This argument has been made several times over. It is probably the group he had the most in common with. Since Judaism was a faith of the written word it is easy to see how Jesus would study the scriptures, see himself in it, and interpret those laws and narrative for himself and teach others to follow his ways. This is what each sect did. The Pharisees sought to apply law to everyday life for the common Jew. They rooted their interpretations to past Halakhah. Jesus, however, reinterpreted the law in light of himself alone as being the fulfillment, something the Pharisees would have taken offense at since they looked for a logical train of thought from any rabbi back to Moses. Jesus knew and understood the law, he studied it, and his first “profession” was likely carpentry. He summoned followers who were day laborers and taught them the law. In many respects this is the way of a Pharisee. This should be it's own thread. When you consider what the sect of the Pharisees taught, vs their seat in the Sanhedrin as Judges under the Chief Justice (the high priest) Nothing that came from the seat of Moses was sectarian as the Sadducees and Pharisees had to agree to pronounce judgement. However, as sectarians they taught many things concerning the prophets, and the heavenly kingdom etc. These were things that Moses law gave them no such authority in. The judges were to decide cases of law between their brethren. The Sadducees merely said such things are not sources of law. They were correct about that. The resurrection and the heavenly kingdom had no place in a Jewish court of law, any more than a judge presiding in our courts applies prophesy in deciding a case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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