"Prayer Language"

[Alan Hales]

4 minutes ago, Behold said:

⁸ And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

⁹ Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

= Gift of TONGUES ARE A FOREIGN LANGUAGE.

 

Alan, do you see all those foreign languages?

Those are all represented by """Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,""

And Peter was given the "gift of foreign languages" so that those listed could understand.....and that is why they said..."we HEAR in our own LANGUAGE".

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Alan, keep reading this over and over     ^^^^^^^^^^^  until you realize that Peter is speaking in "TONGUES" (foreign languages)  = (Gift of).

Once you recognize this, then you'll understand it, and once you do, we can move on.

You still haven't shown me where Acts 2 says those tongues are a gift. Foreign languages are one of the operations of tongues.

 

[Behold]

2 minutes ago, Alan Hales said:

Speak to himself and to God, "In tongues", [Not cease to speak in tongues], But If there is no interpreter in the meeting, don't give a tongues that needs an interpretation, Just speak in tongues to yourself and to God.

 

The Gift of Tongues, is the literal gift of being able to speak a foreign language, that you have never learned, for the benefit of the HEARER.

A prayer language, also knows as "tongues of angels" and "groanings that cant be uttered" is a situation that is self edifying, and is for the believer's prayer life and sometimes occurs when a person is born again.

So, one is a spiritual gift, and the other is a self edifying personal experience.

If your minister or your denomination does not teach you the difference then they are wrong and confused in their theology, but that does not mean you have to remain wrong and confused in yours, does it?

Just remember that the "gift of tongues" is  the "gift of a foreign language" and is for the HEARER....., and a prayer language is for the believer regarding their personal prayer life.

[Behold]

4 minutes ago, Alan Hales said:

You still haven't shown me where Acts 2 says those tongues are a gift. Foreign languages are one of the operations of tongues.

 

Its not until Corinthians the epistle(s) were written, that the  "gifts of the Spirit" are explained..

Alan.... , Acts 2 was many many years before Corinthians.....So, its Corinthians which was written much later that explains what Peter is doing in Act 2 when he is speaking in foreign languages.... = And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

⁹ Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

= Gift of TONGUES ARE A FOREIGN LANGUAGE.

[Alan Hales]

5 minutes ago, Behold said:

Its not until Corinthians the epistle(s) were written, that the  "gifts of the Spirit" are explained..

Alan.... , Acts 2 was many many years before Corinthians.....So, its Corinthians which was written much later that explains what Peter is doing in Act 2 when he is speaking in foreign languages.... = And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

⁹ Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

= Gift of TONGUES ARE A FOREIGN LANGUAGE.

You still haven't shown me where the tongues in Acts 2, are THE gift of tongues, It doesn't matter how long the epistle to the Corinthians was written after Acts, The Bible still only calls the tongues that need an interpretation, "The gift of tongues", as they are among the nine gifts of the Spirit.

[Demi777]

7 minutes ago, Behold said:

Its not until Corinthians the epistle(s) were written, that the  "gifts of the Spirit" are explained..

Alan.... , Acts 2 was many many years before Corinthians.....So, its Corinthians which was written much later that explains what Peter is doing in Act 2 when he is speaking in foreign languages.... = And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

⁹ Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

= Gift of TONGUES ARE A FOREIGN LANGUAGE.

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am becomeas sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)

2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands,

but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

 

Its not only foreign languages. The holy spirit uses it as well but uhm your missing a bit of scripture there..

[Alan Hales]

12 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

The Gift of Tongues, is the literal gift of being able to speak a foreign language, that you have never learned, for the benefit of the HEARER.

A prayer language, also knows as "tongues of angels" and "groanings that cant be uttered" is a situation that is self edifying, and is for the believer's prayer life and sometimes occurs when a person is born again.

So, one is a spiritual gift, and the other is a self edifying personal experience.

If your minister or your denomination does not teach you the difference then they are wrong and confused in their theology, but that does not mean you have to remain wrong and confused in yours, does it?

Just remember that the "gift of tongues" is  the "gift of a foreign language" and is for the HEARER....., and a prayer language is for the believer regarding their personal prayer life.

You are still giving your own opinion about foreign languages being the "Gift of tongues", With no scriptures to back it up.

Tongues in Acts 2, are ONE of the many operations of tongues, But the only tongues the Bible mentions as The gift, Are the tongues that need an interpretation.

[Behold]

21 minutes ago, Demi777 said:

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am becomeas sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)

2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands,

but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

 

Its not only foreign languages. The holy spirit uses it as well but uhm your missing a bit of scripture there..

Let me help.

There is the "gift of tongues" that is the ability to speak a foreign language for the benefit of the Hearer....= Acts 2 = Peter.

Then, there is the "prayer language" that is "speaking mysteries to God", that is a personal edifying experience.

These are not the same., as one is a literal gift of foreign languages, like FRENCH, or GERMAN, or some type of Aramaic, that God give a person for the benefit of teaching OTHERS in their own language, because YOU dont speak it.., and that is PETER in Acts 2.

Vs, a heavenly prayer language, that some call the "evidence of the infilling of the HS", where a person is having a personal communal experience with God,  that involves a "prayer language", which has nothing to do with the "gift of a foreign language".

[missmuffet]

Question: "What is the gift of speaking in tongues?"

Answer: The first occurrence of speaking in tongues occurred on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-4. The apostles went out and shared the gospel with the crowds, speaking to them in their own languages: “We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” (Acts 2:11). The Greek word translated tongues literally means “languages.” Therefore, the gift of tongues is speaking in a language a person does not know in order to minister to someone who does speak that language. In 1 Corinthians chapters 12–14, Paul discusses miraculous gifts, saying, “Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?” (1 Corinthians 14:6). According to the apostle Paul, and in agreement with the tongues described in Acts, speaking in tongues is valuable to the one hearing God’s message in his or her own language, but it is useless to everyone else unless it is interpreted/translated.

A person with the gift of interpreting tongues (1 Corinthians 12:30) could understand what a tongues-speaker was saying even though he did not know the language that was being spoken. The tongues interpreter would then communicate the message of the tongues speaker to everyone else, so all could understand. “For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says” (1 Corinthians 14:13). Paul’s conclusion regarding tongues that were not interpreted is powerful: “But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue” (1 Corinthians 14:19).

Is the gift of tongues for today? First Corinthians 13:8 mentions the gift of tongues ceasing, although it connects the ceasing with the arrival of the “perfect” in 1 Corinthians 13:10. Some point to a difference in the tense of the Greek verbs referring to prophecy and knowledge “ceasing” and that of tongues “being ceased” as evidence for tongues ceasing before the arrival of the “perfect.” While possible, this is not explicitly clear from the text. Some also point to passages such as Isaiah 28:11 and Joel 2:28-29 as evidence that speaking in tongues was a sign of God's oncoming judgment. First Corinthians 14:22 describes tongues as a “sign to unbelievers.” According to this argument, the gift of tongues was a warning to the Jews that God was going to judge Israel for rejecting Jesus Christ as Messiah. Therefore, when God did in fact judge Israel (with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70), the gift of tongues would no longer serve its intended purpose. While this view is possible, the primary purpose of tongues being fulfilled does not necessarily demand its cessation. Scripture does not conclusively assert that the gift of speaking in tongues has ceased.

At the same time, if the gift of speaking in tongues were active in the church today, it would be performed in agreement with Scripture. It would be a real and intelligible language (1 Corinthians 14:10). It would be for the purpose of communicating God's Word with a person of another language (Acts 2:6-12). It would be in agreement with the command God gave through the apostle Paul, “If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God” (1 Corinthians 14:27-28). It would also be in accordance with 1 Corinthians 14:33, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”

God most definitely can give a person the gift of speaking in tongues to enable him or her to communicate with a person who speaks another language. The Holy Spirit is sovereign in the dispersion of the spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:11). Just imagine how much more productive missionaries could be if they did not have to go to language school, and were instantly able to speak to people in their own language. However, God does not seem to be doing this. Tongues does not seem to occur today in the manner it did in the New Testament, despite the fact that it would be immensely useful. The vast majority of believers who claim to practice the gift of speaking in tongues do not do so in agreement with the Scriptures mentioned above. These facts lead to the conclusion that the gift of tongues has ceased or is at least a rarity in God's plan for the church today.

http://www.gotquestions.org/gift-of-tongues.html

[Alan Hales]

18 hours ago, Behold said:

Let me help.

There is the "gift of tongues" that is the ability to speak a foreign language for the benefit of the Hearer....= Acts 2 = Peter.

Then, there is the "prayer language" that is "speaking mysteries to God", that is a personal edifying experience.

These are not the same., as one is a literal gift of foreign languages, like FRENCH, or GERMAN, or some type of Aramaic, that God give a person for the benefit of teaching OTHERS in their own language, because YOU dont speak it.., and that is PETER in Acts 2.

Vs, a heavenly prayer language, that some call the "evidence of the infilling of the HS", where a person is having a personal communal experience with God,  that involves a "prayer language", which has nothing to do with the "gift of a foreign language".

The ONLY Biblical definition of the "Gift of tongues", Are the tongues that need an interpretation, In 1 Cor 12. V4, [Gifts], V7, [Given], These  in 1 Cor 12 are the "GIFTS of the Spirit, and among them is, the "GIFT OF TONGUES, V10. and they need to be interpreted

 PLEASE NOTE, those Acts 2: 4--11, DIDN'T need interpreting.

All tongues are the evidence of being baptised in the Holy Ghost.

 

Tongues that speak mysteries, Tongues that build us up, and tongues that are our prayer language, ARE all different operations of tongues.

[1]Tongues that speak mysteries, are us speaking to God, and He reveals the hidden truths to us,

And one way to know the hidden truths, is to pray for an interpretation, 1 Cor 14: 13.

[2]Tongues that build us up, Don't reveal the mysteries, They keep our spirits in the love of God, and that's one way they build us up, Jude 20: 21.

[3]Tongues that are our prayer language, Are tongues the is our spirit praying. 

[Alan Hales]

19 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Question: "What is the gift of speaking in tongues?"

Answer: The first occurrence of speaking in tongues occurred on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-4. The apostles went out and shared the gospel with the crowds, speaking to them in their own languages: “We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” (Acts 2:11). The Greek word translated tongues literally means “languages.” Therefore, the gift of tongues is speaking in a language a person does not know in order to minister to someone who does speak that language. In 1 Corinthians chapters 12–14, Paul discusses miraculous gifts, saying, “Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?” (1 Corinthians 14:6). According to the apostle Paul, and in agreement with the tongues described in Acts, speaking in tongues is valuable to the one hearing God’s message in his or her own language, but it is useless to everyone else unless it is interpreted/translated.

A person with the gift of interpreting tongues (1 Corinthians 12:30) could understand what a tongues-speaker was saying even though he did not know the language that was being spoken. The tongues interpreter would then communicate the message of the tongues speaker to everyone else, so all could understand. “For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says” (1 Corinthians 14:13). Paul’s conclusion regarding tongues that were not interpreted is powerful: “But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue” (1 Corinthians 14:19).

Is the gift of tongues for today? First Corinthians 13:8 mentions the gift of tongues ceasing, although it connects the ceasing with the arrival of the “perfect” in 1 Corinthians 13:10. Some point to a difference in the tense of the Greek verbs referring to prophecy and knowledge “ceasing” and that of tongues “being ceased” as evidence for tongues ceasing before the arrival of the “perfect.” While possible, this is not explicitly clear from the text. Some also point to passages such as Isaiah 28:11 and Joel 2:28-29 as evidence that speaking in tongues was a sign of God's oncoming judgment. First Corinthians 14:22 describes tongues as a “sign to unbelievers.” According to this argument, the gift of tongues was a warning to the Jews that God was going to judge Israel for rejecting Jesus Christ as Messiah. Therefore, when God did in fact judge Israel (with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70), the gift of tongues would no longer serve its intended purpose. While this view is possible, the primary purpose of tongues being fulfilled does not necessarily demand its cessation. Scripture does not conclusively assert that the gift of speaking in tongues has ceased.

At the same time, if the gift of speaking in tongues were active in the church today, it would be performed in agreement with Scripture. It would be a real and intelligible language (1 Corinthians 14:10). It would be for the purpose of communicating God's Word with a person of another language (Acts 2:6-12). It would be in agreement with the command God gave through the apostle Paul, “If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God” (1 Corinthians 14:27-28). It would also be in accordance with 1 Corinthians 14:33, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”

God most definitely can give a person the gift of speaking in tongues to enable him or her to communicate with a person who speaks another language. The Holy Spirit is sovereign in the dispersion of the spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:11). Just imagine how much more productive missionaries could be if they did not have to go to language school, and were instantly able to speak to people in their own language. However, God does not seem to be doing this. Tongues does not seem to occur today in the manner it did in the New Testament, despite the fact that it would be immensely useful. The vast majority of believers who claim to practice the gift of speaking in tongues do not do so in agreement with the Scriptures mentioned above. These facts lead to the conclusion that the gift of tongues has ceased or is at least a rarity in God's plan for the church today.

http://www.gotquestions.org/gift-of-tongues.html

They weren't preaching the gospel in tongues, in Acts 2: 4--11, They were speaking the wonderful works of God.

If they were preaching the gospel, Why would Peter have to get up the preach? Acts 2: 14--39.

 

Tongues that are a foreign language, Acts 2: 4--11, Are not the same as the tongues in 1 Cor 14: 2, As only God can understand them,  Also, V21 say no one will understand these kinds of tongues.

And the tongues that need an interpretation, Aren't the same as those in Acts 2, because those in Acts 2, didn't need interpreting.

Then there are tongues that build us up, 1 Cor 14: 4.  Then there are tongues that is our spirit praying, V 14-15, Then there are tongues that sing praise to God, V 15-17.

1 Cor 13: 8, Doesn't say tongues HAVE ceased, It says they  WILL cease, But not this side of eternity.

 

When Paul said  don't speak in tongues if there is no interpreter in the meeting, He meant don't give a tongue that is for interpreting, He didn't say don't speak in any of the other operations of tongues.

 

People still use tongues that are a foreign language, It is given to the Church for all the Church throughout all ages., When God gives Ministries to the Church, He never takes them back.