Montana Marv Posted June 10, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 10, 2016 10 hours ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: So a And could you provide the Scriptural support upon which you make this assertion for a difference in the Day of the Lord versus the Day of Christ? 2 Peter 3:10 - But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. Isa 2 12 - The Lord Almighty has a day in store for all the proud and lofty, for all that is exalted, and they will be humbled. v. 17 - The Lord alone will be exalted in that day. v20 - in that day men will throw away to the rodents and bats their idols of silver and idols of gold. Zech 14:1 - A day of the Lord is coming when your plunder will be divided among you. Zech 12:9 - On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attacked Jerusalem. Zech 12:3 - On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. Compare with: Phil 1:6 - being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus. v,10 - so that you may be blameless until the day of Christ. (Paul speaking) 2 Cor 1:14b - you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. 2 Tim 4:8 - Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day. In Christ Montana Marv The day of Christ Jesus has to do with Believers/Church. The Day of the Lord is an ongoing time which will affect Unbelievers and the Nation of Israel, all the way to the New Heaven and the New Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 11, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 11, 2016 On 6/9/2016 at 8:47 PM, Marcus O'Reillius said: Why is it that the modern versions have as their underlying Greek, kyrios instead of christos as is used in the older KJV? The Textus Receptus is the Received Text (which is based upon the Byzantine Text) and has "Christ" instead of "Lord". But the context makes it clear (as well as the new translations) that that phrase should be "the day of the Lord". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted June 11, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2016 On June 10, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Montana Marv said: The day of Christ Jesus has to do with Believers/Church. The Day of the Lord is an ongoing time which will affect Unbelievers and the Nation of Israel, all the way to the New Heaven and the New Earth. And as Paul said of the Roman victory celebration, the smell of insense to the victors at the front was sweet, but to the captives trailing, it was death. One thing can have alternating ends, and as the Bible constantly contrasts good and bad: so too can the Day of the Lord, with its attendant and precursor "sun/moon/star event" of Mt 24:29 lead to our Redemption with the gathering of the Elect as per Mt 24:31 only to be quickly followed by the first Trumpet of God's Wrath which supplies both the fire and the blood of the Day of the Lord. We see this also in Revelation chapter 14 where the Harvest from the clouds is immediately followed by the winepress of God's Wrath. Both happen on the Day of the Lord, who is Christ Jesus. The Day is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 11, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: Both happen on the Day of the Lord, who is Christ Jesus. The Day is the same. We need to clearly understand that the term "the day of the LORD" is a technical term for the period of wrath which comes upon the unbelieving and ungodly world. If you have access to Strong's Concordance, please trace this term all the way through Scripture. And please note that "the Lord's Day" is entirely different, and refers to the first day of the week (the day of Christian worship and rest). Some people confuse the two. The Day of Christ is in contrast to the Day of the LORD, since it is a day of blessings for all those who are in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted June 11, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2016 No, I'm saying they are the same Day with two different outcomes for the Saints and Wicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted June 11, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2016 The Day of the Lord, as indicated by the "sun/moon/star event" of Mt 24:29, is when Jesus gathers the Elect and delivers them to the barn of Heaven, as is seen after the same "sun/moon/star event" of the sixth Seal with the Great Multitude before the Throne of the Father, and then, the tares are burned in the field of this world, via the first Trumpet. The order is the same in Rev ch 14 too, where the Son of Man, gathers the Harvest, and then an Angel comes to tread the winepress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serving Posted June 11, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 934 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 905 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/05/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/14/1969 Share Posted June 11, 2016 33 minutes ago, Ezra said: We need to clearly understand that the term "the day of the LORD" is a technical term for the period of wrath which comes upon the unbelieving and ungodly world. If you have access to Strong's Concordance, please trace this term all the way through Scripture. And please note that "the Lord's Day" is entirely different, and refers to the first day of the week (the day of Christian worship and rest). Some people confuse the two. The Day of Christ is in contrast to the Day of the LORD, since it is a day of blessings for all those who are in Christ. ????????????? Ezra, look at this please and really think about it : 2 Thessalonians 2:2-5 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? If the day of Christ is a "Day of blessings" as you put it .. and .. is different to the "Day of the LORD" somehow .. then please explain this .. Q : Why would the brethren be "shaken in mind" and "troubled" that the day of Christ "were at hand" if it were a "day of blessings" ?? See the contradiction ? Sorry bro, but whoever thought this up really did a bad job of it 'caus I just sunk that boat in under 2 minutes !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted June 11, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2016 And even using a source with a later date, a source known for its "smoothing" of the Greek, amplifying the diety of Jesus predominantly, links the Day of Christ with our being gathered up. This equates 2Th 2 with the Day of the Lord sign in the Olivet Discourse. The earliest sources we have for 2Th 2, use kyrios: Lord. The KJV, working by candlelight, didn't have the resources we have today, and I see no reason to hold those men on a special pedestal of veneration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted June 11, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2016 9 minutes ago, Serving said: If the day of Christ is a "Day of blessings" as you put it .. and .. is different to the "Day of the LORD" somehow .. then please explain this .. Q : Why would the brethren be "shaken in mind" and "troubled" that the day of Christ "were at hand" if it were a "day of blessings" ?? See the contradiction ? I think they were afraid of being "left behind." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted June 12, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,631 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Ezra said: We need to clearly understand that the term "the day of the LORD" is a technical term for the period of wrath which comes upon the unbelieving and ungodly world. If you have access to Strong's Concordance, please trace this term all the way through Scripture. And please note that "the Lord's Day" is entirely different, and refers to the first day of the week (the day of Christian worship and rest). Some people confuse the two. The Day of Christ is in contrast to the Day of the LORD, since it is a day of blessings for all those who are in Christ. Depends on the context. In this case the context is the end of the age making both events and their description identical. It's almost like someone saying the NFL and the National Football League aren't the same cause one's an acronym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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